He does it for two and a half years.  Did you ever feel like, "Should we be doing something?" I mean, did you almost feel like, it's gotta be kind of awkward to have this kindness just pour in and you don't know, did you not know what to do, or? - Well a couple answers to that.  It was awkward at first, but then he became part of our family.  I can't even imagine that he wouldn't be there for birthdays, and he was there at Christmas and her wedding.  He just became a part of it.  What was, I'm sorry.  That was definitely an important part: that he was there.  And two and a half years isn't all he did, that was the constant days, but he kept writing until she was an adult.  I mean, off and on, special occasions, things like that.  - I would imagine you don't just quit cold turkey.  Say, "Sorry kid, I'm done. " [chuckles] - He never stopped, it was wonderful.  - So how often was he actually physically in your lives? When you say he was there for birthday and weddings, he was physically there, like Bob went to the wedding? - Oh yeah, yeah, and he wasn't just at Joni's birthday parties, he would show up at Steve and Angie's too, and he would bear gifts.  I mean, he really became an important member of our family. ECHO is on.