%- >> THE FOLLOWING
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%-PRODUCTION.
%- >> YOU'RE
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%-NOW,"
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%-THE
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%-NEGOTIATIONS
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%-PROTESTERS AND
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%-ADMINISTRATION AND
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%-PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN
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%-WISCONSIN.
%-THIS
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%-COURTING BLACK
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%-ANNOUNCING
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%-PLANS
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%- >> BETWEEN NOW AND
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%-2026, WE WILL INVEST
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%- >> I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.
%-TONIGHT
ON "HERE AND
NOW,"
%-CAMPUS
PROTESTERS
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UW-MADISO
%-ADMINISTRATION
REACH
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%-WE
LOOK AT
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PROTESTERS'
MESSAGE.
%-THE HO-CHUNK NATION
VOTES
TO
%-DECRIMINALIZE MARIJUANA.%-WE SPEAK
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%-GENERAL.
%-HOW
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%-DOMESTIC
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%-WILL
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%-DELIRIUM
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%-CUSTODY.
%-IT'S
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%- >> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS%-PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR%-JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
%-WISCONSIN
%-
>> THE
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UW-MADISON
%-CAMPUS
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COMING
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%-STUDENTS
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%-PALESTINE AGREED TO
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%-PROTEST
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%-GRADUATION
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%-WEEKEND AND
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%-AGAIN IN AN
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%-UW-MADISON
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ADMINISTRATION%-WILL SET
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%-PROTESTERS,
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UW
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%-AND
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%-DISCUSS
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UNIVERSITY'S
%-ENDOWMENT
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INVESTED.%-ONE OF
THE
PROTESTERS' DEMANDS
%-WAS FOR THE UNIVERSITY
TO
DIVEST
%-OF
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ISRAEL.
%->>Chanting: WE
WANT
JUSTICE...
%- >> WHEN
NEGOTIATIONS
BROKE
DOWN
%-BETWEEN
PROTESTERS AND
THE
%-UNIVERSITY
MID-WEEK,
ABOUT
200
%-PEOPLE RALLIED AND
VOICE
!!
VOICED
THEIR
%-DISAPPOINTMENT OVER THE
%-CHANCELLOR SAYING
SHE
LACKED
%-AUTHORITY
TO
DIVEST OF
%-INVESTMENTS WITH
ISRAEL.
%-BUT
IN
FOLLOWING
DAYS,
TALKED
%-RESUMED WITH THE UNIVERSITY
%-EAGER TO
END
THE
ENCAMPMENT%-WHICH WAS
AGREED
TO
FRIDAY
JUST%-AHEAD OF
GRADUATION
CEREMONIES.%-WHAT ARE THE
IMPLICATIONS
OF
%-THESE
PROTESTS AT
THE
UNIVERSITY
%-CAMPUS
AND
CAMPUSES ACROSS THE
%-COUNTRY?%-UW-MADISON
JOURNALISM
PROFESSOR,
%-DOUGLAS
McCLEOD,
IS
AN
EXPERT
%-ON
SOCIAL
PROTESTS
AND
MEDIA
%-COVERAGE OF
IT.
%-HE
JOINS
US
NOW.
%-THANKS VERY MUCH FOR
BEING
HERE.%- >> THANK
YOU.
%- >> SO
YOU'VE
WRITTEN
THAT
MEDIA
%-PRODUCE MESSAGES THAT
SUPPORT
%-THE STATUS QUO
WHEN
COVERING
%-SOCIAL
PROTESTS.%-IS
COVERAGE
OF
THESE
PROTESTS%-ACROSS THE
COUNTRY
AND HERE
%-SUPPORTING
THE STATUS
QUO?%- >> FOR THE MOST
PART,
YES.%-MOST OF
THE
RESEARCH
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%-BEEN
DOING
OVER
35
YEARS
HAS
%-LOOKED
AT SORT
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MAINSTREAM
%-MEDIA
COVERAGE IN
NEWSPAPERS
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%-THEN SORT OF
THE
THREE-MINUTE
%-NEWS
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ARE
PRODUCED
%-TO
COVER
SOCIAL
PROTESTS
AND
WE
%-FOUND
JUST A
VERY
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%-OF
COVERAGE
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OF
%-TYPIFIES
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%-WE'VE
LOOKED
AT
LEFT
WING
%-PROTESTERS,
RIGHT
WING
%-PROTESTERS, WE'VE
LOOKED
AT
%-ANTIWAR,
ANTIGLOBALLIZATION
%-PROTESTS, BLACK LIVES
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%-PROTESTS, AND SO
WE'VE
%-DISCOVERED THERE'S
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%-COMMON PATTERN WHEN
IT
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TO%-SORT
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MAINSTREAM
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%- >> SO IN THIS
CASE,
WHAT EVEN
IS
%-THE STATUS
QUO
POTENTIALLY
BEING
%-HEWED
TO?
%- >> GENERALLY SPEAKING,
THE%-STATUS
QUO
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%-POLICIES AND
PROCEDURES OF THE
%-INSTITUTIONS OF
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%-GOVERNMENT
OR
CORPORATIONS WHO
%-ARE
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%-PROTESTERS, BUT AS
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%-PROTEST
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THEIR
%-CHOSEN
ENEMY
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OFTEN
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%-AND
INSTEAD
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%-ACTIONS OF THE
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ITS
%-FRAME
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POLICE
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%-PROTESTERS.%-AND
IN THAT
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%-TENDS
TO
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THE
%-INSTITUTIONS
LIKE
GOVERNMENT
OR
%-CORPORATIONS
FROM --
FROM
%-CRITICAL
COVERAGE
OF SOME OF
THE
%-POLICIES
AND
POSITIONS THAT
THE
%-PROTESTERS WOULD LIKE
TO
RAISE.%- >> AND
SO IN
YOUR
MIND,
AS
AN
%-EXPERT
RESEARCHER IN THIS
FIELD,%-WHAT
IS
THE
DANGER
TO KIND
OF
%-CIVIC
UNDERSTANDING
IF IT'S
%-REALLY KIND
OF
ONE-SIDED?%- >> I THINK TO
SOME
DEGREE, YOU
%-CAN KIND OF
SEE SOME OF
THE
%-DANGERS RIGHT NOW IN
THE
CURRENT
%-PROTESTS.%-THERE'S
BEEN A LOT OF
ATTENTION
%-ON
POLICE
ACTIONS
ON
CAMPUSES%-AROUND
THE
COUNTRY, A LOT OF
%-ATTENTION TO
ENCAMPMENTS
BEING
%-REMOVED, A LOT OF ATTENTIONS
TO
%-CLASHES
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PROTESTERS
AND
%-COUNTER-PROTESTERS,
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NOT
MUCH
%-MAINSTREAM
NEWS
COVERAGE.%-IT'S REALLY
EXPLAINING,
HEY,
%-WHAT'S THIS
PROTEST
ALL
ABOUT?
%-WHAT'S GOING
ON IN
GAZA
AND
HOW
%-ARE
THE
PROTESTERS
TRYING
TO
%-EFFECT CHANGE
WHEN IT
COMES
TO
%-THAT
PARTICULAR
ISSUE?
%- >> SPEAKING OF KIND OF
THE
%-POLICE MOVEMENTS
AROUND
THESE
%-PROTESTERS, AS A FACULTY
MEMBER%-ON THIS
CAMPUS, WHAT
WAS
YOUR
%-REACTION WHEN
THE
POLICE
MOVED
%-IN ON
THE
UW-MADISON
ENCAMPMENT?
%- >> THE
CONCERNS
ARE
THAT SOME
OF
%-THEIR
ACTIONS
AGAINST
FACULTY
%-AND
STUDENTS
ARE
SOMETIMES
MORE
%-AGGRESSIVE
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THEY
MIGHT
NEED%-TO
BE, AND
I'VE
HEARD
SOME
%-CHARGES, AND I DON'T
KNOW
%-WHETHER
THEY'RE
VALIDATE OR
NOT,
%-THAT ON
THIS
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AND
%-ELSEWHERE, SOME OF THE
MORE SORT
%-OF
AGGRESSIVE MEASURES
TAKEN
BY%-POLICE
OFFICERS
ARE
OFTEN
%-DIRECTED
AT
MINORITIES
--
%-MINORITY STUDENTS
AND
%-INTERNATIONAL
STUDENTS.
%- >> HOW
COMPLICATED
IS
THIS
%-PRO-PALESTINIAN PROTEST
WHEN
%-SOME
JEWISH
STUDENTS
EXPRESS
%-FEELING
MARGINALIZED
OR
WORSE%-AND
OTHERS
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THEY'RE
%-EXPERIENCING
ISLAMOPHOBIA.
%-HOW
COMPLICATED
WHEN
PASSIONS
%-AND
BLOODSHED IN THE MIDDLE EAST
%-COME TO
CAMPUS?
%- >> YEAH.%-THIS IS ABOUT
AS
COMPLICATED AS
%-YOU
GET IN TERMS OF
PROTESTS.
%-FIRST YOU
START WITH THE
ISSUE
%-IN
GAZA
AND
IT'S
NOT
A
SIMPLE
%-SOLUTION,
IT'S
NOT A
CASE
OF
%-THIS
SIDE
BEING
RIGHT AND
THIS
%-SIDE BEING
WRONG.
%-IT'S VERY, VERY
COMPLICATED,
%-NUMBER
ONE.%-NUMBER
TWO,
THE
PROTESTS ARE
%-TAKING
PLACE
RIGHT
HERE
AND
%-THEY'RE SORT
OF
DIRECTED
MORE
AT
%-THINGS
LIKE
UNIVERSITY
%-INVESTMENTS, THAT'S KIND
OF
A
%-COMPLICATED
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%-THEY'RE
MORE
INDIRECTLY
%-CONNECTED,
IN
SOME TO
THE
%-ROTESTS GOING
ON IN
THE
%-NORTHEAST AND
TO
SOME
DEGREE IN
%-THE
COVERAGE OF THE
PROTESTS,
%-THAT SORT OF
CONNECTION
TO
THESE
%-ISSUES
TO
SOME
DEGREE
GETS
LOST.
%- >> SO DO YOU
THINK
THE
STUDENT
%-PROTESTS
MOVE
PRESIDENTIAL
%-POLICY ON
ISRAEL?
%- >> WELL,
WITH ALL
THE
DIFFERENT
%-FACTORS THAT ARE
TRYING
TO
SHIFT
%-PRESIDENTIAL POLICY, IT'S
HARD
%-TO TRACE
IT
TO
WHAT
EXACTLY
IS
%-DRIVING
WHAT.
%-WE
KNOW
THAT
PROTESTS CAN
HAVE A
%-BIG
IMPACT.
%-WE DON'T
HAVE TO
GO
FAR
BACK
%-INTO
OUR
OWN
HISTORY TO
THE%-CIVIL
RIGHTS
MOVEMENT IN
THE
%-1950s
AND
'60s TO
SEE
THE
%-PROFOUND
IMPACT
THAT
THAT KIND
%-OF SOCIAL
PROTEST
AND
%-DEMONSTRATIONS
HAD
ON
AFFECTING
%-PUBLIC
POLICY.
%-WE KNOW THAT IS
THE
CASE
THERE.%-I
THINK
HISTORY IS GOING TO
HAVE
%-TO TAKE A
LOOK AT
THIS
%-PARTICULAR
CASE TO
SEE
TO
WHAT
%-EXTENT
THE
PROTESTERS THEMSELVES
%-HAS
HAD
AN
IMPACT.%- >> ALL
RIGHT.
%-PROFESSOR
McCLEOD,
THANKS VERY
%-MUCH.%- >> THANK YOU VERY
MUCH.%- >> HO-CHUNK
NATION'S
LEGISLATURE
%-MOVED
TO
DECRIMINALIZE CANNABIS
%-ON
ITS
TRIBAL
LANDS.%-IT'S A
MOVE,
THEY
SAY,
THAT
%-DOESN'T FULLY
LEGALIZE
%-MARIJUANA.
%-STILL,
IT
RAISES
LEGAL
QUESTIONS
%-AS THE
DRUG
IS
STILL
ILLEGAL
%-FEDERALLY
AND
IN
WISCONSIN.%-JOINING
US
TO
ADDRESS
THESE
%-QUESTIONS IS
THE HO-CHUNK NATION%-ATTORNEY
GENERAL,
WILLIAM
%-GARDNER.%-THANKS VERY MUCH FOR
BEING
HERE.%- >> THANKS FOR
INVITING
ME.%- >> TELL
ME, WHY
DID
THE
HO-CHUNK
%-VOTE
TO
DECRIMINALIZE
CANNABIS?%- >> IT HAS BEEN IN
THE
PROCESS
OF
%-CONSIDERATION BY
THE HO-CHUNK
%-NATION
SINCE
2015.
%-IN
2015,
THE
GENERAL
COUNCIL
GOT
%-TOGETHER AND
MADE
A
REQUEST THAT
%-THE LEGISLATURE CONSIDER AND
%-RESEARCH
MOVING
INTO
THE
%-MARIJUANA
FIELD IN
THE
SENSE
OF
%-WHAT CAN
THEY
DO
FOR
ECONOMIC
%-EXPANSION.%-AT THAT
POINT
IN
TIME, THERE
WAS
%-A
START
OF
PROCESS
AND
THEN
THE
%-COMMITMENT
WAS
MADE
THAT THEY
%-WOULD CONTINUE TO
DO
THE
%-RESEARCH
AND IN AN
EFFORT
TO
PUT
%-THE
NATION IN
THE
BEST
POSSIBLE
%-POSITION ONCE AND
IF
ANY
FORM
OF
%-LEGALIZATION
OCCURRED,
THEY
MOVE
%-FORWARD
WITH
THAT
EFFORT, WHICH%-HAS BEEN
CONTINUING OVER
THE
%-YEARS,
WITH
DECRIMINALIZING
%-MARIJUANA WITHIN
THE HO-CHUNK
%-NATION
STATUTES, MORE THAN
%-LIKELY
TO
BEGIN
PREPARING
FOR
%-THE
POTENTIAL
OF
CHANGE
OF
THE
%-MARIJUANA
RULES UNDER
THE
%-CONTROLLED
SUBSTANCE
ACT FROM
A
%-SCHEDULE 1
TO
A
SCHEDULE
3
DRUG.
%-SO
IT'S
ALL
BEEN
POSITIONING
AND
%-THIS
IS, FOR THE MOST
PART,
%-GROUNDWORK.%- >> HOW
DOES
DECRIMINALIZING
%-CANNABIS
ON
TRIBAL
LANDS
SQUARE%-WITH STATE
AND
FEDERAL
LAW
UNDER
%-WHICH
IT
REMAINS
ILLEGAL?
%- >> THE
DECRIMINALIZATION, AS YOU
%-MAY KNOW
OR
AS
OTHERS
MAY
NOT
%-KNOW,
BASICALLY
REMOVES
THE
%-POTENTIAL FOR
A
CRIME
VIOLATION
%-OR A
CONVICTION OF
A
CRIME
FROM
%-SOMEBODY WHO MAY
BE
ARRESTED
OR
%-CHARGED WITH A
CRIME UNDER
THE
%-CURRENT
CODES.%-ALL OF
THE
ILLEGALITIES
OF
USING
%-MARIJUANA
ARE
STILL IN EFFECT%-THROUGHOUT
THE STATE
OF
%-WISCONSIN, AS WELL
AS THROUGH
%-THE
HO-CHUNK
LANDS.
%-BUT IF
THE
TRIBAL
MEMBER IS
IN
%-POSSESSION OF AN
AMOUNT
OF
%-MARIJUANA
ON
TRIBAL
LANDS,
THE
%-DECRIMINALIZATION AFFECTS
THAT
%-INDIVIDUAL BY
THE
TRIBAL
POLICE,
%-NOT FILING
A
CRIMINAL
CHARGE
%-AGAINST
THAT
INDIVIDUAL
AND
THEY
%-WOULDN'T
HAVE
TO
LOOK --
LOOK
%-FORWARD TO
IS
THE
WRONG
WORD,
%-BUT THEY WOULDN'T
HAVE
TO
WORRY
%-ABOUT
GETTING
A
CRIMINAL RECORD
%-THAT
MIGHT
AFFECT
EDUCATION
OR
%-HOUSING
APPLICATIONS OR
THINGS%-OF
THE
SORT.
%-SO
THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT
WE
SEE
%-AS
A
BENEFIT
TO
TRIBAL
MEMBERS.
%-BUT IT'S
NOT IN ANY
WAY
BUMPING
%-SHOULDERS AGAINST
LEGALITY.
%-WE'RE
FULLY
AWARE
THAT
MARIJUANA
%-IS
STILL
ILLEGAL.%- >> DO YOU EXPECT
THE
HO-CHUNK
%-VOTE
TO
DECRIMINALIZE
WILL KIND
%-OF HELP
PROD
THE STATE OF
%-WISCONSIN TO
MOVE IN THE SAME
%-DIRECTION?
%- >> I KNOW
THAT THERE
ARE
SOME
%-TRIBES THAT
ARE
GETTING
%-THEMSELVES
TOGETHER
TO
LOBBY IN
%-ORDER
TO
MOVE
FORWARD,
BUT I
%-THINK
THAT
IT'S
GOING TO
BE
A
%-CONTINUING
EFFORT
TO
TRY AND
GET
%-SOMETHING
DONE,
PERHAPS IN
THE
%-MEDICAL
MARIJUANA
FIELD,
BUT
I'M
%-NOT
CERTAIN
IT'S
JUST
THAT.%- >> IS
IT
THE
SENSE
AMONG
THE
%-TRIBAL
NATION
THAT
%-DECRIMINALIZING CANNABIS
COULD
%-POTENTIALLY
HELP
REDUCE
OPIOID
%-USE, THE
ABUSE
OF WHICH
IS
A
%-PROBLEM
STATEWIDE
AND
FOR
TRIBAL
%-NATIONS?
%- >> I THINK
THERE'S
A
SENSE
%-GENERALLY ACROSS
THE
NATION
%-PERHAPS, I
WON'T
SPEAK
TO
OTHER
%-TRIBES,
BUT THERE HAS BEEN
%-DISCUSSION
HERE
REGARDING
%-REPORTS
THAT
THOSE
STATES THAT
%-HAVE
OPENED
UP
WITH
LEGALIZATION
%-OF
MARIJUANA
ARE
BEGINNING TO
%-FIND
THAT
THE
OPIOID
USE
THAT%-THEY HAD
HAD AT
THE
START
OF
%-THEIR OPENING
UP
IS
REDUCING
AND
%-DROPPING
DOWN.
%-THERE'S
ALSO
SOME
ADDITIONAL
%-STUDIES THAT ARE
BEGINNING
TO
%-SURFACE
DEALING
WITH
THE
EFFECTS
%-OF
MEDICINAL
MARIJUANA AND
%-DEALING
WITH
VARIOUS
HEALTH
%-ASPECTS, WHICH ALSO INCLUDE
%-OPIOID
ADDICTION
AND THINGS OF%-THAT NATURE.
%-SO WE'RE WATCHING
IT.
%-IT'S TOO
EARLY TO
TELL.%-THERE ARE
NOT A LOT
OF
STUDIES
%-BECAUSE, AS
YOU
MAY
KNOW, THERE
%-ARE
NOT A LOT OF
PEOPLE WHO
CAN
%-DO
STUDIES IN
THIS
AREA,
%-CONSIDERING
THE
ILLEGALITY%-ACROSS THE
NATION.
%- >> WELL, WE
LEAVE
IT
THERE AND%-WE WILL
WATCH
THIS AS
IT
%-PROGRESSES.%-ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM
%-GARDNER,
THANKS VERY
MUCH.
%- >> GOOD.%-THANK
YOU.
%- >> A
70%
DROP
IN
FEDERAL
FUNDING
%-TO STATES
TO
HELP
VICTIMS
OF
%-CRIME
HAS
ADVOCATES WARNING
OF
%-DIRE
CONSEQUENCES.
%-THE GRANTS TO
STATES
FOR
VICTIM
%-SERVICES ARE
FUNDED
THROUGH
%-FEDERAL FINES
AND
FEES
PAID
BY
%-PEOPLE
CONVICTED OF
A
CRIME, BUT
%-THE
FEDERAL
FUND
HAS
SHARPLY
%-DECLINED, LEAVING
WISCONSIN'S
%-ANNUAL FUNDING
EXPECTED TO
GO
%-FOR MORE THAN
$44
MILLION
TO
%-ROUGHLY 13
MILLION.
%-THE
WAUSAU
ORGANIZATION
CALLED
%-THE
WOMEN'S
COMMUNITY,
WHOSE
%-SERVICES
HELP THOUSANDS OF
%-VICTIMS
OF DOMESTIC
ABUSE,
%-SEXUAL
ASSAULT
AND HUMAN
%-TRAFFICKING, FEARS
THE
LOSS
OF
%-SERVICES.
%-ITS
EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR, JANE%-GRAHAM
JENNINGS.%-THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.%- >> THANK
YOU.
%-I'M
HAPPY TO BE
HERE.
%- >> SO WHAT IS
THE
EXPECTATION
%-ABOUT HOW
THE
DROP
IN
GRANT
%-FUNDS
WILL
AFFECT
YOUR
SERVICES?
%- >> WELL, YOU
KNOW,
THE
THING%-ABOUT
SERVING
VICTIMS
OF
ABUSE
%-IS IT'S
NOT
JUST
ONE
COMMUNITY.
%-SO
THE
DROP
IN
FUNDS
WILL
%-DEFINITELY
IMPACT
THE
COUNTY
%-WHERE
WE
SERVE AND
THE
WAUSAU
%-COMMUNITY, BUT
IT
WILL
IMPACT%-EVERY COMMUNITY
IN
OUR
STATE,
%-BECAUSE ALL OF THE
PROGRAMS THAT
%-ARE CURRENTLY
FUNDED
WILL
SEE
A
%-SIGNIFICANT
DECREASE
STATEWIDE.
%-SO FOR
THE
WOMEN'S
COMMUNITY
IN
%-PARTICULAR, AND
THE
OTHER
THING%-THAT
IS --
MAKES A LITTLE BIT
%-DIFFICULT FOR
US TO
PLAN
IS
WE
%-WON'T
ACTUALLY
KNOW
THE
TOTAL
%-DECREASE THAT WE
GET
UNTIL
%-AUGUST OR
SEPTEMBER, JUST
THE
%-WAY
THE
GRANT
PROCESS
WORKS.
%-SO
WE
WON'T
REALLY
KNOW.%-IN
THE BEST-CASE
SCENARIO, WE
%-WILL
BE
LOSING
ABOUT
$234,000,
%-AND THAT'S
JUST FOR
THE
WOMEN'S
%-COMMUNITY.
%- >> HOW DO
YOU
EVEN
WEATHER
SUCH
%-A
LOSS?
%- >> WE'VE BEEN TRYING
TO
PLAN FOR
%-IT FOR
A
WHILE.
%-THE
STATE
ADMINISTRATORS HAVE%-BEEN EXCEPTIONAL IN
TRYING
TO
%-KEEP
US
INFORMED
AND
PLANNING%-FOR
A
WHILE.
%-THIS
PROBLEM WOULD
HAVE
HAPPENED
%-A
FEW
YEARS
AGO
EXCEPT THERE
%-WERE SOME
ARPA
DOLLARS THAT THE
%-STATE WAS ABLE
TO
PUT IN
TO
PLUG
%-THE
GAP.
%-SO THAT
KEPT
US
OPERATING
AND
%-BEING ABLE
TO
KEEP
OUR
SERVICES
%-OPERATIONAL
FOR
AN
ADDITIONAL%-TWO
YEARS, BUT
THAT
MONEY
IS
%-GOING
AWAY, SO
NOW WE'RE
GOING%-TO
SEE
THOSE
CUTS.
%-SO
OUR
BOARD HAS BEEN
PLANNING,%-WE'VE
BEEN
TALKING ABOUT
IT, WE
%-HAVE
SOME
FUNDS FOR A
RAINY
DAY
%-AND THEN
WE
JUST
SEARCH
FOR
%-OTHER
DOLLARS.
%-BUT
AGAIN,
WE
DON'T
KNOW
EXACTLY%-HOW MUCH THAT IS
GOING TO
BE.
%-SO AS SOON AS WE
KNOW,
THEN
%-WE'RE GOING TO BE
ROLLING
OUT%-ALL
OF
OUR
PLANS.
%- >> HOW
IMPORTANT
ARE
VICTIM
%-SERVICES
AND WHAT
ARE
SOME
%-EXAMPLES
OF WHAT
COMMUNITY
OF
%-WOMEN
OFFERS?
%- >> SO WE
WORK
WITH
ANYONE WHO%-HAS BEEN A
VICTIM
OF DOMESTIC
%-VIOLENCE,
SEXUAL
ASSAULT, HUMAN
%-TRAFFICKING.
%-ADULTS,
CHILDREN,
MEN,
WOMEN,
%-ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN
IMPACTED.
%-SERVICES INCLUDE
A NUMBER
OF
%-THINGS.%-ONE
THING
THAT
PEOPLE
ARE
MOST
%-FAMILIAR WITH
IS
OUR
SHELTER
%-SERVICE, AND
THAT'S A
PLACE
%-WHERE
PEOPLE WHO
ARE
IN
VIOLENT
%-SITUATIONS,
TRYING
TO
FLEE,
TO
%-MOVE
INTO
SAFE
HOUSING
CAN
STAY%-WITH
US FOR
A
SHORT
TIME
IN
%-EMERGENCY
SHELTER.%-THAT'S
GOING TO
BE
IMPACTED
%-DRASTICALLY BY THE
FUNDING
CUTS.
%-WE
PROVIDE
ONGOING
SUPPORTIVE
%-ADVOCACY,
BECAUSE
WHEN
PEOPLE%-HAVE BEEN
HARMED
BY
SOMEONE
THEY
%-LOVE, WHICH
IS
MOST
OFTEN
WHAT'S
%-HAPPENING
IN
SEXUAL
ASSAULT, AND
%-IS THE
CASE
OF
WHAT'S
HAPPENING
%-IN DOMESTIC
VIOLENCE, IT'S
%-REALLY
A
TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCE%-AND
PEOPLE
ARE
TRYING
TO
FIGURE
%-OUT HOW
TO
SURVIVE
AND
HOW
TO
%-REBUILD
THEIR
LIVES.%-NO
ONE
WANTS TO
COME
TO
SERVICES%-LIKE
THE
WOMEN'S COMMUNITY
%-BECAUSE IF
YOU
NEED
OUR
%-SERVICES, SOMETHING REALLY
BAD
%-HAS HAPPENED TO YOU
OR
SOMEONE
%-YOU
LOVE,
SO
PEOPLE
COME TO
US%-AS A
LAST
RESORT AND WE WANT TO%-BE
THERE
TO
HELP
REBUILD
THEM.
%-THEY
COME TO
US
FEELING BROKEN
%-AND
ASHAMED
AND
JUDGED
AND
THAT%-NO ONE
BELIEVES
THEM
OR
SUPPORTS
%-THEM, AND WE WANT TO
HELP
THEM
%-REBUILD
THAT
SPIRIT.
%-REALLY,
THEIR
SOUL HAS
BEEN
%-CRUSHED BY THE
TRAUMA
THAT
%-THEY'VE EXPERIENCED AND
WE
JUST%-TRY
TO
HELP
REBUILD
THAT.
%-WE OFTEN USE
THE
ANALOGY OF
A
%-BUTTERFLY.%-PEOPLE COME TO
US
AND THEY
FEEL
%-LIKE
THEY'RE
THE
SQUISHY UGLY
%-CATERPILLAR
THAT
PEOPLE JUST
%-WANT TO
STEP ON
AND
THEN
THEY
GO
%-INTO
THEIR
COCOON
AND
THEN
THEY
%-EMERGE BEAUTIFUL
AND
FREE
AND
%-THAT'S
THE
PROCESS WE
GET TO
SEE
%-WHEN
PEOPLE
COME TO
US
BROKEN
%-AND
THEY
LEAVE
US
STRONG AT
THE
%-BROKEN PLACES.
%->>
IS
DOMESTIC
AND
SEXUAL
%-VIOLENCE
AGAINST
WOMEN ON
THE
%-RISE?
%- >> UNFORTUNATELY, IT
IS.
%-THE MOST
RECENT -- IN
THE STATE
%-OF
WISCONSIN, END DOMESTIC ABUSE
%-WISCONSIN,
DOES
A DOMESTIC
%-VIOLENCE
HOMICIDE-RELATED
%-REPORT.
%-IN
2022,
96 PEOPLE
IN
WISCONSIN
%-LOST THEIR
LIVES
DUE
TO DOMESTIC
%-VIOLENCE.
%-UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE ONE OF
THE%-TOP
10
STATES IN
THE
NATION THAT
%-HAS THE
HIGHEST
LEVEL
OF
%-DOMESTIC-RELATED
HOMICIDES IN
%-THE
COUNTRY.
%-SO THIS
IS
NOT
SOMETHING THAT WE
%-ARE PROUD OF
AND
WE'RE
WORKING
%-REALLY HARD
TO
FIGURE
OUT
HOW WE
%-CAN
MAKE
AN
IMPACT,
BUT
THERE'S
%-STILL
SO
MUCH
BLAMING THAT
IS
%-DONE.%-VICTIMS
ARE
STILL
BLAMED
FOR
SO
%-MUCH OF
IT.
%-PEOPLE
ASK
QUESTIONS
ABOUT
%-VICTIMS'
BEHAVIOR, WHY
DO
%-VICTIMS
STAY
IN
ABUSIVE
%-RELATIONSHIPS, INSTEAD OF REALLY
%-ASKING THE
QUESTION, WHY DOES
%-SOMEONE WHO
CLAIMS
TO LOVE
HARM
%-THE PERSON THEY
CLAIM
TO
LOVE?
%-THERE'S
JUST
NOT
AN
INCENTIVE%-FOR
PEOPLE
TO
BEHAVE
BETTER.
%-WE NEED
PEOPLE
TO
STOP
BEING
%-HARMFUL.%- >> WE HAVE
MANY
MORE
QUESTIONS
%-BUT WE
LEAVE
IT
THERE.%-JANE GRAHAM
JENNINGS, THANK YOU%-VERY
MUCH.%-THANKS
FOR
YOUR
WORK.%- >> THANK
YOU.
%- >> AN INVESTIGATION BY
THE
A.P.
%-AND
PBS
FRONTLINE REVEALED
%-POLICE AND
MEDICS
USING
INJECTED
%-SEDATIVES
TO DEESCALATE
PEOPLE%-WHO HAVE BEEN
DEEMED TO
HAVE
%-SOMETHING
CALLED EXCITED
%-DELIRIUM.
%- >> WE'VE NOW COME
TO
UNDERSTAND
%-THAT EXCITED
DELIRIUM IS A
%-DEEPLY
FLAWED
CONCEPT.
%-IN
MANY
CASES,
THE
DEFINITION
OF%-EXCITED DELIRIUM WAS
BUILT
ON
%-RACIAL
STEREOTYPES, AND
PROBABLY
%-MORE
FUNDAMENTALLY, EXCITED%-DELIRIUM WAS
A
CONCEPT
THAT,
IN%-MANY
OF
THESE
CASES,
SERVED
TO
%-SHIFT
THE
FOCUS
FROM
THE
ACTIONS%-OF
THE FIRST
RESPONDERS,
%-RESTRAINT OR
CHEMICAL
SEDATION%-BY THE
POLICE
OR
BY
E.M.S. TO
%-THE
INDIVIDUAL
FOR
USING
%-METHAMPHETAMINE, FOR
ENGAGING
IN
%-CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY,
OR
SUFFERING
%-FROM MENTAL
HEALTH
EMERGENCIES
%-IN SOME
CASES.
%- >> THE
USE
OF
MEDICATIONS IS
%-PART OF
AN EXCITED
DELIRIUM
%-PROTOCOL
IN
SOME
DEPARTMENTS
TO
%-RENDER THE
PERSON
COMPLIANT.%-THIS IS
OFTEN
IN
COMBINATION
%-WITH STUN
GUNS
AND
PINNING
%-SUBJECTS FACE
DOWN, BUT
THE
%-COMBINATION CAN BE
FATAL.
%-IT HAPPENED
TO A
MAN
IN
%-EAU CLAIRE
COUNTY AS
DESCRIBED%-IN
THE
INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTING.%-EXCITED DELIRIUM
REPORTEDLY
%-MARKED
BY
HIGH
PAIN
TOLERANCE
%-AND
SUPERHUMAN
STRENGTH IS
A
%-CONTROVERSIAL
AND
DISPUTED%-DIAGNOSIS AND
SHOULD
NOT
BE
USED
%-TO JUSTIFY
USE
OF
FORCE
AND
%-MEDICATION.%-THAT'S ACCORDING TO
OUR
NEXT
%-GUEST,
PSYCHIATRIST
DR. JULIE
%-OWEN FROM THE
MEDICAL COLLEGE
OF
%-WISCONSIN.
%-DOCTOR, THANKS FOR JOINING
US.%- >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
%- >> WHY DO YOU SAY
THAT EXCITED
%-DELIRIUM IS
A
DISPUTED
%-DIAGNOSIS?
%- >> EXCITED DELIRIUM
FIRST
CAME%-TO
BE
DESCRIBED IN
THE
1980s,
%-AND THAT
WAS IN
CONJUNCTION WITH%-A
RISE
IN
COCAINE
USE.%-THERE
ARE
VERY
FEW
PROFESSIONAL
%-MEDICAL ORGANIZATIONS
THAT
%-ACTUALLY
RECOGNIZE EXCITED
%-DELIRIUM AS
A
DIAGNOSIS, AND
%-WITHOUT
THAT
RECOGNITION
AND
%-WITHOUT THAT
CONSENSUS OF
THE
%-MEDICAL
COMMUNITY, THERE'S
BEEN
%-A
LACK
OF
TRUE
DIAGNOSTIC
%-CRITERIA
THAT
FOLKS
AGREE
ON
%-WHEN
USING
THIS
TERM,
WHICH
HAS
%-CALLED
ITS
USE
INTO
DISPUTE.
%- >> SO IF
IT'S
NOT EXCITED
%-DELIRIUM
, WHAT
ARE
POLICE
AND%-FIRST RESPONDERS
AND
MEDICS
%-RESPONDING
TO IN
THE
FIELD
THAT
%-THEN
HAVE
THEM
USING
THESE
%-INJECTED
SEDATIVES?
%- >> SO,
OFTENTIMES,
AN
INDIVIDUAL
%-WHO MIGHT
BE
DESCRIBED
AS
%-DISPLAYING
THE
FEATURES
OF WHAT%-HAS
BEEN
COME TO
BE
KNOWN
AS%-EXCITED
DELIRIUM, THEY
WILL
LOOK
%-EXTREMELY
AGITATED.%-THEY WILL
POTENTIALLY BE
%-BEHAVING IN
A
BIZARRE
MANNER.
%-THE
LITERATURE
THAT
HAS
LOOKED%-AT
THIS
SYNDROME
HAS
DESCRIBED
%-THINGS
LIKE INCREASED
PAIN
%-TOLERANCE, THE
INDIVIDUAL
%-LOOKING
SWEATY,
THE
INDIVIDUAL
%-BREATHING
RAPIDLY, AN
INDIVIDUAL
%-WHO LOOKS LIKE
THEY
DON'T
REALLY
%-GET TIRED
DESPITE A LOT
OF
%-PHYSICAL
EXERTION,
AND
SOMETIMES%-THE
LITERATURE
ALSO
DESCRIBES
%-INDIVIDUALS
WHO
ARE
NOT
%-NECESSARILY
COMPLYING
WITH LAW
%-ENFORCEMENT
OFFICIAL
ORDERS,
%-AND/OR
BEING
INAPPROPRIATELY
%-CLOTHED.%- >> IN YOUR RESEARCH, WHAT
DID
%-YOU
FIND ABOUT
THE
OUTSIDES
%-DIAGNOSIS OF
THIS EXCITED
%-DELIRIUM IN
BLACK
OR
BROWN
%-POLICE
SUBJECTS?
%- >> USUALLY,
THERE'S
A
SKEWING OF
%-THE
USE OF
THIS
TERM
WITH
YOUNG
%-MEN, YOUNG
MEN
OF
COLOR,
AND
%-YOUNG
MEN
OF
COLOR
WHO
PROBABLY,%-AT
A LATER PHASE OF
EXAMINATION,
%-ARE FOUND TO
BE
UTILIZING
SOME%-SORT OF
WHAT
WE
CALL
SYMPATHY
%-MEDIC
OR
A
STIMULANT-TYPE
%-SUBSTANCE.%- >> INVESTIGATION NARROWED
IN ON
%-THE
USE
OF
INJECTED
DRUGS
LIKE
%-KETAMINE BY
POLICE AND
MEDICS.
%-WHAT'S YOUR VIEW
OF
THAT
USE?
%- >> I WORK IN
THE
HOSPITAL
%-SETTING.%-IN THE
HOSPITAL
SETTING, IF
AN
%-INDIVIDUAL PRESENTS
WITH
%-AGITATION,
TYPICALLY
THE
BEST
%-ACCEPTED
PRACTICE
IS AS
A
%-PHYSICIAN
TO
EVALUATE THAT
%-PERSON
AND TRY
TO
DETERMINE WHAT
%-IS THE
MOST
LIKELY
CAUSE
OF
THAT
%-PERSON'S
AGITATION
AND
%-MEDICATIONS ARE
USED AS
A
TOOL
%-THEN
TO
TREAT
AND
RELIEVE
THAT
%-PERSON
OF
THAT
AGITATED STATE.
%-SO THE
USE
OF
MEDICATIONS
IN AND
%-HAVE
THEMSELVES IS
NOT
%-NECESSARILY
PROBLEMATIC.
%-IT'S
THE
USE OF
A
MEDICATION
%-WITH
OFTENTIMES
VERY
INCOMPLETE
%-DATA
AND
WITH
DIFFERING
%-PROTOCOLS AND
DOSING
AND,
AGAIN,%-SORT OF
STARTING
WITH
THAT
NOT
%-TRULY
A
MEDICAL
DIAGNOSTIC TERM
%-TO SORT OF
DRIVE
THE
%-INTERVENTION OR THE
CHOICE OF
%-THE
INTERVENTION
THAT
SEEMS TO
%-BE
PROBLEMATIC
IN
THESE
CASES.
%- >> HOW
TROUBLING IS
IT TO
YOU
%-THAT EXCITED DELIRIUM MIGHT BE
%-USED AS
A
JUSTIFICATION FOR
USE
%-OF
FORCE
OR
INJECTIONS
OF
%-KETAMINE?%- >> IT
IS
TROUBLING.%-AND
AGAIN, I
THINK, YOU
KNOW, AS
%-A
PHYSICIAN
AND AS
A
PHYSICIAN
%-WHO PRACTICES
AND
!
IN
SOLELY
OR
%-EMERGENT ACUTE
SETTINGS,
THIS%-SORT OF
CASE
IS
HARD
FOR
%-SOMEBODY
LIKE
MYSELF
TO
TRY TO
%-GET TO
THE
BOTTOM
OF,
AND WHEN%-YOU HAVE
FOLKS
WHO
DON'T
HAVE
%-THE SAME
AMOUNT
OF
CLINICAL
%-TRAINING SORT OF
THROWING
OUT
%-TERMS
THAT
SOUND
LIKE
DIAGNOSES
%-TO
THEN
DRIVE
INTERVENTIONS
WITH
%-QUESTIONABLE
SAFETY
INVOLVED,%-AND, OF COURSE, WHEN
THESE
%-INTERVENTIONS RESULT
IN
LETHAL
%-OUTCOMES WHEN
REALLY
THAT'S
%-PROBABLY
NOT
NECESSARY, THAT
IS
%-DISTURBING.%- >> YOU SAY THAT IT
IS
IMPERATIVE%-TO
FIND
CONSENSUS
AMONG
MEDICAL
%-PROFESSIONALS AROUND
THE
%-DIAGNOSIS
OF EXCITED
DELIRIUM.%-HAS
THAT
YET
BEEN
FOUND,
THAT
%-ONSENSUS?
%- >> NO.
%- >> AND
ARE
MORE
PEOPLE
LIKE
%-YOURSELF
TALKING ABOUT
IT?
%- >> I THINK
SO.
%-WE -- YOU KNOW,
AGAIN,
MY
%-PRACTICE
CLINICALLY
IS
WORKING
%-SHOULDER TO
SHOULDER
WITH
%-EMERGENCY
MEDICINE
PHYSICIANS
%-AND
THAT SORT
OF
CROSS
SPECIALTY
%-COLLABORATION
AND
COLLABORATION
%-OF
EXPERTISE IN THIS
SPACE, I
%-THINK
THAT'S
WHAT'S
NECESSARY
TO
%-REALLY
FIND,
AGAIN,
CONSENSUS,
%-BUT A
REAL
CLEAR SENSE
OF WHAT%-IT IS
THAT
WE'RE
TRYING TO
%-ACCOMPLISH WITH
UTILIZING
TERMS%-LIKE
THIS
OR
TRYING
TO
%-CATEGORIZE
CLINICAL
%-PRESENTATIONS LIKE THIS.%- >> ALL
RIGHT.
%-WE
LEAVE IT
THERE.
%-DR. JULIE
OWEN,
THANKS VERY
%-MUCH.%- >> THANK YOU.
%- >> FOR
MORE ON
THIS AND
OTHER
%-ISSUES FACING
WISCONSIN,
VISIT
%-OUR
WEBSITE
AT PBS
!
PBSWISCONSIN.ORG%-AND THEN
CLICK ON
THE
NEWS
TAB.
%-THAT'S OUR
PROGRAM FOR
TONIGHT.
%-I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.%-HAVE
A
GOOD
WEEKEND.
%- >> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS%-PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR%-JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS%-WISCONSIN.