%-ONE OF
ONLY
TWO
STATES THAT
IS
%-HAVING
PEOPLE
PAY BY
THE AMOUNT
%-OF
TIME
THAT
THEY'RE
CHARGING
%-THEIR VEHICLES INSTEAD OF THE
%-AMOUNT
OF
ENERGY
THAT THEY'RE
%-USING IN
KILOWATT
HOURS.
%-SO
IT'S A LITTLE BIT
FUNNY,
%-REALLY.
%-IF
YOU'RE
CHARGING
YOUR
GAS
CAR%-AT
THE
PUMP,
YOU
WOULDN'T.
%-SO THIS IS
THE
SAME
THING.%-IT WOULD KIND OF
MAKE
IT
MORE
%-FAIR.%-SO IF
THE
PUMP
IS A
LITTLE
%-SLOWER OR
YOUR
ELECTRIC
VEHICLE
%-IS
CHARGING A LITTLE
SLOWER,
%-YOU'RE STILL
PAYING FOR THE
%-AMOUNT OF
ENERGY
THAT
YOU'RE
%-USING.%-AND THE
REASON WE HAVE
IT
SET UP
%-THAT WAY RIGHT
NOW
IS
IT'S KIND
%-OF A
WORK-AROUND
BECAUSE, AS
YOU
%-SAID, RIGHT NOW.
%- >> THE FOLLOWING
PROGRAM IS
A%-PBS
WISCONSIN
ORIGINAL
%-PRODUCTION.
%- >> YOU'RE
WATCHING "HERE AND
%-NOW"
2024
ELECTION COVERAGE.
%-VERSIONS
OVER
LEGISLATIVE
%-DISTRICT MAPS
ARE IN
THE
HANDS%-OF THE
COURT,
BUT
NOW
A
%-DEMOCRATIC GROUP
WANTS
THE
%-CONGRESSIONAL MAP
CHANGED AS
%-WELL.%-AND
RECORD
COLD
TEMPERATURES
%-OUTSIDE
CREATE
DEVASTATING
%-CONDITIONS
FOR
THE
UNHOUSED.
%-I'M FREDERICA FREYBERG.
%-TONIGHT
ON "HERE AND
NOW,"
WE
%-TAKE A
CLOSE
LOOK AT
THE
%-PROPOSED
VOTING
MAPS
SUBMITTED%-TO
THE
STATE SUPREME COURT
AND
%-HOW THE
MAPS WILL
AND
WON'T
%-MATTER
COME
NOVEMBER.
%-THE
FRIGID TEMPERATURES ARE
%-BEING
FELT
BY
ALL,
BUT
MOST
%-ACUTELY BY
THOSE WITHOUT
%-SHELTER.
%-THEN,
A
LOOK AT
A
BIPARTISAN%-BILL
TO
EXPAND
ELECTRIC
VEHICLE
%-CHARGERS.%-AND
FINALLY,
HOW
WISCONSIN
HAND
%-DR. KING
AND
HOW
HIS
LEGACY
%-LIVES
ON.
%úIT'S "HERE AND NOW"
FOR
JANUARY
%-19.%- >> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS%-PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR%-JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS
%-WISCONSIN.
%- >> AN
ANTICIPATED EXPERT
%-ANALYSIS OF
NEW
VOTING
MAPS
%-SUBMITTED TO
THE
WISCONSIN%-SUPREME COURT
IS
OUT.
%-RESEARCH
FELLOW AT
THE
LUBAR
%-CENTER
FOR PUBLIC
POLICY AT
THE
%-MARQUETTE LAW
SCHOOL,
JOHN
%-JOHNSON, JOINS
US WITH
HIS
TAKE.
%-THANKS VERY MUCH
FOR
BEING
HERE.
%- >> MY
PLEASURE.
%- >> YOU
ANALYZED
THE
MAPS WITH
%-THE
CRITERIA
SET
FORTH BY
THE%-SUPREME
COURT.
%-OVERALL, OF ALL
THE
MAPS
%-SUBMITTED BY THE
LEGISLATURE,%-THE
GOVERNOR,
THE LAW
FIRMS AND
%-OTHERS,
WHICH
COMPORTS
THE
MOST%-IN
YOUR
ANALYSIS?
%- >> THERE'S NOT
A
CLEAR
WINNER
%-ACROSS ALL THE
CRITERIA.
%-SOME
DO
BETTER
ON
SOME
METRICS
%-THAN
OTHERS.
%- >> AND DO YOU THINK THE
COURT
%-WILL
ACCEPT ANY
OF
THESE
%-SUBMITTED
MAPS?
%- >> I'M NOT
SURE.%-I
THINK
MOST
OR ALL
OF
THEM
MEET%-THE
MINIMUM
CONSTITUTIONAL
%-REQUIREMENTS,
CONTIGUITY EQUAL
%-POPULATIONS, THOSE KINDS OF
%-THINGS, BUT THE COURT
HAS
TO
%-MAKE JUDGMENT
CALLS
ABOUT WHICH
%-OF
THESE CRITERIA
IT
VALUES
%-MOST.
%->> AND
THEN IT
IS
TRUE, AM I
%-CORRECT,
THAT THEY COULD
%-DECIDED, YOU KNOW, NONE OF
THEM
%-REALLY
ARE UP
TO
MUSTER
SO WE'RE%-GOING
TO SEND
THIS
TO
THESE
%-MAP-MAKER
CONSULTANTS.%-IS THAT THE
NEXT
STEP IF
IT
GOES
%-THAT
WAY?%- >> I
THINK
THAT'S
RIGHT.
%-THE OPINION THAT
THE
COURT
%-RELEASED IS NOT
AS
CLEAR
AS I
%-WOULD LIKE
IT TO
BE ABOUT
THE
%-PROCESS
THAT
WE'LL
FOLLOW
HERE,
%-BUT I THINK THAT'S
RIGHT, AND HE
%-HAS
CONSULTANTS THEY'VE
HIRED
%-HAVE DONE
THAT KIND OF
WORK
FOR
%-OTHER
STATES.
%- >> SO WHAT WAS
THE
MOST
%-IMPORTANT
CRITERIA
UNDER
%-CONSIDERATION AND
HOW
DID
THE
%-MAPS STACK
UP
ON
THAT?
%- >> WELL, I THINK
THE
MOST
%-IMPORTANT CRITERIA
IS
EQUAL
%-POPULATION.
%-THAT'S
THE
WHOLE
POINT.
%-WE DO
REDISTRICTING.%-ALL OF THE
PLANS HAVE
A
%-POPULATION DEVIATION
OF LESS
%-THAN
2%,
SO I
COULD
IMAGINE
THE
%-JUSTICES SIMPLY DECIDING
THAT%-ALL OF
THEM WERE
EQUALLY
GOOD
ON
%-THAT
METRIC.%-ON THE OTHER
HAND, SOME OF
THE
%-PLANS HAVE
DEVIATION
CLOSER TO
%-1% AND
SOME
CLOSER
TO 2
LOWER
IS
%-BETTER ON THIS
METRIC.
%-SO WE
COULD
ALSO
IMAGINE
THE
%-JUSTICES
SAY,
WELL,
WE
PREFER TO%-HAVE THE
LEAST
POPULATION
%-DEVIATION, THE
MOST
EQUAL
%-POPULATIONS
POSSIBLE.%-THE
OTHER, YOU
KNOW, SORT OF
%-PASS-FAIL IS
CONTIGUITY,
WHICH
%-THESE
PLANS
ALL SET
OUT
TO
%-ACHIEVE.
%- >> SO
YOU
COMMENTED THAT
THE
%-REPUBLICAN
LEGISLATURE'S
MAP
%-STUCK TO
THE
LEAST
CHANGE FROM
%-THE
LAST
LEAST CHANGED
MAPS.
%-HOW
SO?%- >> THAT'S
RIGHT.
%-SO AS
YOU'LL
RECALL,
THE
REASON
%-THE OLD
MAPS
WERE
THROWN
OUT
WAS
%-BECAUSE MANY OF
THE
DISTRICTS
%-LACKING
CONTIGUITY, AND
THE
%-LEGISLATIVE REPUBLICANS%-SUBMITTED A MAP
WHERE
THEY
%-ESSENTIALLY JUST MADE THE
FEWEST
%-CHANGES POSSIBLE
TO
RESOLVE
%-THOSE
CONTIGUITY
ISSUES.%-SORT
OF
THE
MINIMAL
CHANGES
%-NEEDED
TO MEET
THE
NEW
%-CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS THE
%-COURT LAID
OUT.
%-THAT ENDED UP
RESULTING
IN A LOT
%-OF
MUNICIPAL
AND BOARD
SPLITS,
%-ACTUALLY, BECAUSE
THE
REASON
WHY
%-THOSE OLD
DISTRICTS WERE
NOT
%-CONTIGUOUS IS
BECAUSE
THE
%-MUNICIPALITIES THEMSELVES WERE
%-NOT
CONTIGUOUS.
%- >> SO YOU
DESCRIBED
THE
%-REPUBLICANS AS
DELIBERATELY
NOT
%-PLAYING BALL
WITH WHAT
THE
COURT
%-REQUESTED.%-IS
THAT
AKIN
TO KIND OF
THUMBING
%-THEIR
NOSE AT
THE
PROCESS?
%- >> I'LL LEAVE
THAT TO
THE
%-LISTENER TO
DECIDE, BUT I
THINK
%-IT'S
CLEAR THAT
THE
LEGISLATURE
%-WAS
ANNOYED
WITH WHAT
THE
COURT
%-DID
AND CHOSE
NOT
TO
CHANGE
THE
%-PARTISAN IMPACT
OF
THEIR
MAP
%-REALLY AT
ALL, WHICH IS
%-SOMETHING THAT THE
COURT
SAID%-THEY
WOULD
EXPLICITLY
CONSIDER.
%- >> SO BARRY
BURDEN,
PROFESSOR,
%-TOLD US HE
THINKS THE NUMBER
ONE
%-EFFECT WILL BE SHAKING
UP
%-INCUMBENTS, WHEREBY
NEW
MAPS
%-COULD PUT
THEM IN THE SAME
%-DISTRICT.%-WHAT ARE YOUR
OBSERVATIONS ABOUT
%-THE NUMBER
OF
PROPOSED
DISTRICTS
%-WITH
MULTIPLE
INCUMBENTS?
%- >> SO AS FAR AS I'M
ABLE
TO
%-TELL,
THE
LEGISLATIVE
%-REPUBLICANS' MAP
WOULDN'T
PLACE
%-ANY
INCUMBENTS
FROM
EITHER
PARTY%-IN THE
SAME DISTRICT
%-CONSISTENTLY
WITH
THAT
LEAST
%-CHANGED APPROACH WE WERE TALKING
%-ABOUT.%-ALL THE
OTHER PLANS
WOULD
DO
%-THAT, AND
PARTICULARLY A LOT OF
%-REPUBLICAN
INCUMBENTS WOULD BE
%-PLACED IN THE
SAME
DISTRICT.
%-SO
AS
I'VE LOOKED AT
THIS, I
%-BELIEVE
THE
PLANS
SUBMITTED BY
%-THE
RIGHT
PETITIONERS
WOULD%-CREATE
17
DISTRICTS
WITH
NO
%-INCUMBENTS AND
THEN
THE
PLAN
%-SUBMITTED
BY
LAW
FORWARD AND
THE
%-SENATE
DEMOCRATS
WOULD
CREATE
19
%-DISTRICTS WITH
NO
INCUMBENTS AND
%-THEN THE
PLANS
SUBMITTED BY
THE
%-CONSERVATIVE LAW FIRM
WOULD
%-CREATE 18
DISTRICTS WITH
NO
%-INCUMBENTS.%-AND SO IF
YOU'RE
DRAWING
THESE
%-DISTRICTS WITH NO
INCUMBENTS,%-THAT MEANS
INCUMBENTS
ARE
BEING
%-PAIRED
TOGETHER
ELSEWHERE.
%- >> HMM.%-WELL, ALSO THIS
WEEK,
A
LAWSUIT
%-WAS
FILED
OVER
MAPS
FOR
%-WISCONSIN'S CONGRESSIONAL
%-DISTRICTS.
%-ARE
THEY
FLAWED UNDER THE
%-COURT'S NEW
CRITERIA?
%- >> NOT THE
CONTIGUITY
ISSUE.%-MY
UNDERSTANDING,
I
HAVEN'T
READ
%-THE
FILING,
BUT FROM
THE
%-REPORTING I'VE
READ, THAT
THOSE
%-LAWYERS ARE
ARGUING THAT
THE
%-LEAST CHANGE
APPROACH IS
%-CONSTITUTIONALLY FLAWED AND
%-ASKING THE
COURT
TO
REJECT
THE
%-WHOLE CONGRESSIONAL MAP
ON
THOSE
%-GROUNDS.%- >> LOTS OF REDISTRICTING
ALL%-OVER THE
PLACE
POTENTIALLY.
%-JOHN
JOHNSON,
THANKS VERY
MUCH.
%- >> MY
PLEASURE.
%- >> ASSEMBLY
SPEAKER ROBIN
VOS
%-HAS OFTEN
SAID
IT'S
NOT
THE
MAPS
%-THAT
RESULT
IN
OUT-SIZED
%-REPUBLICAN
MAJORITIES IN THE
%-LEGISLATURE; IT'S
THAT THEY
HAVE
%-BETTER
CANDIDATES.
%-SENIOR POLITICAL
REPORTER, ZAC
%-SCHULTZ, IS
HERE
NOW
WITH
%-ADDITIONAL
FACTORS
THAT
IMPACT
%-ELECTIONS.
%-HI,
ZAC.
%- >> HELLO,
FREDERICA.
%- >> SO IS IT
TRUE
THAT
%-REPUBLICANS
HAVE
BETTER
%-CANDIDATES AND MESSAGING
AND
%-ORGANIZING?
%- >> WELL,
WHEN ROBIN VOS
SAYS
%-THAT,
WHAT
HE'S
REFERRING TO
IS,
%-IN
2018,
WITH TAMMY
BALDWIN'S
%-SENATE
RUN,
IN
2022
WITH%-GOVERNOR
EVERS'
RE-ELECTION,
%-THEY EACH
WON AT
THE
TOP OF
THE
%-TICKET
A NUMBER
OF
ASSEMBLY
%-DISTRICTS AND
ENOUGH THAT
THE
%-DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE HAD THE
%-MAJORITY IN THE ASSEMBLY
IF ALL
%-OF
THEIR
DOWNBALLOT
DEMOCRATS
%-HAVE WON
THEIR
RACES AND HE
SAYS
%-THAT
PROVES
THAT
DOWN-BALLOT
%-REPUBLICANS WEAPON
ON
!
!!
WIN
ON
THEIR
%-MESSAGING.%-THERE'S ALSO THE
FACT
THAT
IN
%-WISCONSIN SPLIT
TICKET
VOTERS%-EXIST
AND
THEY
DO
SEPARATE
OUT
%-THEIR FEELINGS ON
WHO SHOULD BE
%-A U.S.
SENATOR
OR
A
GOVERNOR AND
%-WHO
SHOULD
RUN
FOR
ASSEMBLY.%-THERE IS TRUTH
IN
WHAT
HE'S
%-SAYING
BUT
A
DIFFERENT
DISTRICT
%-MAKEUP WILL
AFFECT
THAT AS
WELL.
%- >> SO AS TO THE QUESTION
OF
%-INCUMBENTS
LANDING IN THE SAME
%-DISTRICT
WITH
NEW
MAPS,
HOW
BIG%-OF A
DEAL IS
THAT?
%- >> WELL, THAT
HAPPENS EVERY
10
%-YEARS DURING
REDISTRICTING
%-ANYWAY.%-IN THE
PAST,
THE
LEGISLATURE HAS
%-TRIED TO
AVOID
THAT
BECAUSE
IT'S
%-THEIR
INCUMBENTS.
%-REPUBLICANS
IN
2011
UNDER
SCOTT
%-WALKER TRIED
TO MINIMIZE
THE%-NUMBER
OF
INCUMBENTS THAT WERE
%-AFFECTED BY THAT AND
THE
SAME
%-THING THE LAST
ROUND.
%-IT'S NOT
UNUSUAL
AND
WISCONSIN'S
%-LAWS
ON WHO CAN
RUN
AND
WHAT
%-DISTRICT
ARE
VERY
LOOSE.
%-SO
RESIDENTS
REQUIREMENTS DON'T
%-LIMIT
AN
INCUMBENT WHO IS
JUST
%-OUTSIDE THEIR
NEW
BORDER
TO
RUN
%-OVER
HERE,
GET
AN
APARTMENT,
%-MOVE
IN
AFTER
THEY
WIN.
%-WE'VE GOT
CASES WHERE
PEOPLE
%-HAVE ACTUALLY OWNED HOMES THIS
%-OTHER
DISTRICTS
AND
TAKEN
%-PROPERTY TAX
CREDITS
ON
THOSE
%-HOMES
BUT
STILL
REPRESENTED%-SOMEWHERE
ELSE.
%-THERE
ISN'T
AN
ENFORCEMENT
%-MECHANISM.%-IT'S NOT THAT
BIG OF
A
DEAL
BUT
%-IT'S
SOMETHING
TO
TALK ABOUT IF
%-PEOPLE DON'T
WANT
TO
MOVE
IF
ONE
%-WANTS
TO
RETIRE
OR THEY'RE GOING
%-TO RUN EACH
OTHER IN
A
PRIMARY.
%- >> SO WHAT ARE
OTHER
%-IMPLICATIONS OF THE
NEW
MAPS IN%-TERMS OF
GOVERNING?%-IS
IT
MOST
CONCEIVABLE
%-ITERATIONS
THAT
THERE
ISN'T --
%-THAT MOST
OF
THESE
MAPS, THERE
%-WOULD STILL
BE
A
REPUBLICAN
%-ADVANTAGE?%- >> WELL,
THAT'S
THE
GEOGRAPHIC
%-NATURE OF THE
STATE,
THE
%-DISTRIBUTION OF DEMOCRATIC
%-VOTERS IS
CONCENTRATED IN
THE
%-CITIES
AND
IN
URBAN
AREAS
AND
%-REPUBLICANS ARE A LITTLE
MORE
%-SPREAD
OUT AT THE
MOMENT.
%-THAT DOESN'T
MEAN
YOU
CAN'T
DRAW
%-DEMOCRATIC DISTRICTS IN
URBAN
%-AREAS
OR
BY
TAKING
OUT
CHUNKS
OF
%-CITIES.%-THAT'S BEEN
DONE
AND
PROVEN
%-THESE MAPS
ARE
POSSIBLE, BUT THE
%-AVERAGE
MATHEMATICIANS HAVE
TOLD
%-US IN THE
PAST
WILL
SLIGHTLY
%-FAVOR
REPUBLICANS, BUT
THAT
%-DOESN'T
TALK ABOUT
SWING
%-ELECTIONS, WAVE
ELECTIONS
AND
%-CANDIDATE
QUALITY,
AS ROBIN
VOS
%-HAS TALKED
ABOUT.
%- >> SO YOU
SUGGESTED
THE
%-REPUBLICAN
MAPS ARE
DESIGNED
TO
%-APPEAL TO THE
U.S. SUPREME
COURT
%-BUT EXPERTS
SAY THAT IT IS
%-HIGHLY UNLIKELY IT
WOULD
GO
%-THERE.
%- >> WELL, THIS
IS
THE
%-REPUBLICANS' HAIL
MARY.%-THEY WANT
TO
KEEP ALL
OF
THEIR
%-OPTIONS IN
SO IF
THE SUPREME
%-COURT
DOES
WEIGH IN
AND
SAY
THE
%-ONLY THING
WRONG WAS
THE
%-NONCONTIGUOUS
DISTRICT,
THE
MAP
%-FIXES THAT
PROBLEM
WITHOUT
%-CHANGING
ANYTHING
AND
KEEPS A
%-MAJORITY IN
FAVOR OF
REPUBLICANS
%-AND
THEY'RE
HOPING THAT IS
THE
%-OUTCOME THAT
COMES OUT OF
THE
%-U.S. SUPREME
COURT, IF
IT
DOES
%-GET
THERE.%- >> ALL
RIGHT.
%-ZAC, THANKS VERY
MUCH.
%- >> THANKS,
FRED.
%- >> IN MILWAUKEE THIS
WEEK,
THREE
%-ADULT MEN
DIED IN
THE BITTER
%-COLD.
%-TWO
FOUND
DEAD
OUTSIDE
AND
ONE
%-IN THEIR
CAR.
%-BEING WITHOUT
SHELTER
IN
THESE
%-CONDITIONS
IS
UNIMAGINABLE
FOR%-MOST
OF
US.
%-WHILE STRIDES
WERE MADE
TO
HELP
%-PEOPLE DURING THE
PANDEMIC
USING
%-FEDERAL
FUNDS,
THAT
MONEY IS NOW
%-DRYING UP AND
HOMELESSNESS
IS
%-ONCE
AGAIN ON
THE
RISE
IN
%-WISCONSIN.%-AT THE SAME
TIME, THERE ARE
%-PROPOSALS IN THE
LEGISLATURE
%-THAT
INCLUDE
CRACKING DOWN
ON
%-WHERE
PEOPLE
CAN
CAMP
OUTSIDE
TO
%-LIVE.
%-LATEST NUMBERS FROM THIS
TIME
%-LAST
YEAR
SHOW
NEARLY
5,000
%-PEOPLE COUNTED AMONG
THE
%-UNHOUSED,
INCLUDING
NEARLY
500
%-WITH
NO
SHELTER AT
ALL.
%-THE
HIGHEST
NUMBER
SINCE
2012,
%-ACCORDING TO THE
STATE%-DEPARTMENT
OF
ADMINISTRATION,%-WHICH
SAYS
THE
PROBLEM
IS
ONLY
%-GROWING.
%-AGENCIES ACROSS THE
STATE ARE
%-WORKING TO
HELP,
INCLUDING
THE
%-WISCONSIN
BALANCE
OF
STATE
%-CONTINUUM OF
CARE.
%-ITS
DIRECTOR,
CARRIE
POSER,
%-JOINS US
NOW.%-THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH
US.%- >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING
ME.%- >> WHAT ARE
THE
BIGGEST
DRIVERS
%-OF
INCREASING
HOMELESSNESS
IN
%-WISCONSIN RIGHT
NOW?%- >> I
WOULD
SAY
THAT
THERE'S
TWO%-KIND
OF
EQUAL
DRIVERS:
ONE,
THE
%-LACK
OF
AVAILABLE HOUSING
%-OPTIONS
FOR
PEOPLE.%-BECAUSE OF
THAT,
IT
STALLS
OUT
%-THE
SYSTEM.
%-PEOPLE CAN'T
MOVE
FROM
SHELTER
%-TO PERMANENT
HOUSING.
%-PEOPLE
CAN'T
GET
ACCESS
INTO
A
%-SPOT IN
THE
SHELTER
SO
PEOPLE
%-REMAIN
UNSHELTERED, BOUNCING
%-AROUND.
%-SOMETIMES EVEN STAYING
IN
%-DANGEROUS
SITUATIONS.%-AT THE SAME TIME,
THERE'S
NOT
%-ENOUGH MENTAL
HEALTH
AND
%-SUBSTANCE USE
TREATMENT
OPTIONS
%-FOR THOSE THAT
WANT AND
NEED
IT,
%-SO THERE ARE
MORE
PEOPLE
%-SUFFERING AND
NOT
ENOUGH
%-SERVICES
TO
MEET
THOSE
%-INCREASINGLY COMPLEX
NEEDS.
%- >> WEREN'T FEDERAL FUNDS
ABLE
TO
%-HELP
DELIVER
MORE
PERMANENT
%-SOLUTIONS BY WAY
OF
SHELTERS
OR%-LOW
INCOME
HOUSING?
%- >> SO DURING THE
PANDEMIC, THERE%-WAS AN
INFLUX
OF
COVID
FUNDS
FOR
%-THINGS
LIKE
SHELTER,
FUNDING TO%-BUILD
HOUSING
AND
FUNDS
FOR
%-EVICTION
PREVENTION.%-THERE
WAS
NOT
MORE
FUNDING
MADE
%-AVAILABLE
FOR
RENT
ASSISTANCE
IN
%-CASE MANAGEMENT
FOR
THOSE
PEOPLE%-WITH THE
HIGHEST
NEEDS,
THE
MOST
%-VULNERABLE
POPULATION.
%- >> SO
WE
OFTEN THINK
OF
%-HOMELESSNESS AS A
PARTICULARLY
%-URBAN
PROBLEM,
BUT IS
IT?
%- >> NO.%-HOMELESSNESS EXISTS IN
EVERY
%-COUNTY
WITHIN
WISCONSIN.
%-SO
THE
69
COUNTIES THAT
ARE
%-REPRESENTED BY THE BALANCE
OF
%-STATE ORGANIZATION
MAKE
UP
OVER
%-60% OF
THE
PEOPLE
COUNTED DURING%-THE
POINT
IN
TIME.
%-THAT
INCLUDES
PEOPLE
%-EXPERIENCING
UNSHELTERED
%-HOMELESSNESS,
RURAL COMMUNITIES
%-OFTEN
HAVE
LESS
RESOURCE
OPTIONS
%-THAN
URBAN,
SO
LESS
SERVICES,
%-LESS
HOUSING,
LESS
AGENCIES
%-AVAILABLE.
%-AND ALTHOUGH
URBAN
HAVE MORE
OF
%-THOSE
OPTIONS,
THEY
DON'T HAVE
%-ENOUGH TO
MEET
THEIR
CURRENT
%-NEEDS.%- >> SO
YOU
JUST SPOKE
TO
%-SOMETHING CALLED POINT
IN
TIME.%-THAT
IS
A
COUNT
OF
PEOPLE WHO
%-ARE
EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS
%-AND
THAT
COMES
UP
EVERY
JANUARY%-AND
JULY.%-IS THAT
RIGHT?
%-SO
THERE'S
ONE COMING
UP
SOON?
%- >> NEXT WEEK,
YEAH.
%-IT'S
THE
FOURTH
WEDNESDAY
%-OVERNIGHT IN
JANUARY
AND
JULY.%- >> AND IS
THE
EXPECTATION AGAIN
%-THAT
THESE
NUMBERS
WILL
RISE
%-ABOVE
LAST
YEAR'S?
%- >> CORRECT.
%-UNFORTUNATELY, IN
2023,
SO
IN
%-JANUARY'S
COUNT, THERE WERE
268
%-PEOPLE
SLEEPING
OUTSIDE IN
THE
%-69
COUNTIES
I
COVER.
%-LOOKING
AT
SOMEWHERE, YOU KNOW,
%-NORTH OF
2,000
PEOPLE,
2,000
%-HOUSEHOLDS AND
ALMOST
3,000
%-PEOPLE THAT
WERE
IN
SHELTERS%-UNSHELTERED OR IN
TRANSITIONAL
%-FACILITIES.%-AND
THAT
NUMBER
CONTINUES
TO
%-GROW.%- >> SO I
KNOW THAT
THE
WISCONSIN
%-EMERGECY
RENTAL
ASSISTANCE%-PROGRAM
ENDED
IN
2023
AND
WITH
%-IT, MORE
THAN
$250
MILLION THAT
%-WAS
HELPING MORE
THAN
66,000
%-HOUSEHOLDS.
%-EVICTIONS,
THEREFORE, ARE
NOW
%-UP.%-WHAT DOES
THIS
SPELL?
%- >> CERTAINLY.
%-SO
THAT
PROGRAM THAT YOU
%-REFERENCED WAS
SOMETHING THAT WE
%-CALL AN
EVICTION
PREVENTION
%-PROGRAM.%-IT WAS
SPECIFICALLY
DESIGNED TO
%-STOP
EVICTIONS
FROM
HAPPENING
TO
%-HELP PEOPLE
STAY
IN
THEIR
HOMES.
%-UNFORTUNATELY,
IT'S
NOT
%-NECESSARILY A
HOMELESS
%-PREVENTION
PROGRAM.
%-NOT
ALL
PEOPLE
OR
HOUSEHOLDS%-THAT ARE
EVICTED END UP
%-HOMELESS.%-SO
UNFORTUNATELY,
WITHOUT%-INVESTING
FUNDS
IN
HOMELESS
%-PREVENTION,
LOOKING
UPSTREAM AND
%-TARGETING THOSE
FOLKS THAT
ARE%-AT
THE GREATEST
RISK
OF
BECOMING
%-HOMELESS, NOT ONLY ARE
YOU
GOING%-TO SEE
EVICTIONS, BUT
YOU'RE
%-ALSO
GOING TO
SEE
AN
INCREASE
IN
%-HOMELESSNESS.
%- >> MEANWHILE, THE
LEGISLATURE IS
%-CONSIDERING
A
BILL THAT
WOULD
%-CRIMINALIZE CAMPING
ON
PUBLIC
%-PROPERTY NOT
SANCTIONED BY THE
%-STATE.%-WHAT IS
YOUR REACTION
TO
THAT
%-MEASURE?
%-GOING THROUGH THE
LEGISLATURE%-RIGHT
NOW?
%- >> YEAH.
%-SO
THE
SISSERO
INSTITUTE
IS
A
%-LEADER OF THIS
PROPOSAL.%-IT'S COMING UP
IN
STATES
ALL%-ACROSS THE
COUNTRY.
%-UNFORTUNATELY,
IT
PERPETUATES A
%-FALSE AND
OFTEN
HARMFUL
%-NARRATIVE AS TO THE CAUSES
OF
%-HOMELESSNESS ALONG WITH
THE
%-POTENTIAL
SOLUTIONS.
%-ROUNDING PEOPLE UP
AND PUTTING
%-THEM IN
A
PLACE
ESTABLISHED
BY
A
%-CITY OR
A
STATE
AND
MAKING IT
A
%-CRIME TO
BE ANYWHERE
ELSE
DOES
%-NOT FEND
HOMELESSNESS.
%-OFTENTIMES
IT'S
%-COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, IT'S
%-EXPENSIVE, IT'S
HARMFUL
AND
IT'S
%-DEHUMANIZING.%-IF THE
PURPOSE
OF
THOSE
BILLS IS
%-TO
ADDRESS, IS
TO
TRULY ADDRESS
%-THE
UNSHELTERED
HOMELESS
UPTICK%-IN THIS
STATE,
THEN
WE
NEED
%-INVESTMENT IN A
VARIETY
OF
%-DIFFERENT
THINGS,
INCLUDING
%-CRISIS
HOUSING,
SHELTERS,
%-OUTREACH,
ENGAGEMENT,
LANDLORD
%-INCENTIVES TO GET
LANDLORDS
TO
%-AGREE TO WORK
WITH
OUR
PROGRAMS%-AND THE
PEOPLE WE'RE
TRYING
TO
%-SERVE,
BUT
ROUNDING
PEOPLE UP
%-ISN'T
THE
ANSWER.
%- >> WITH ABOUT
HALF A
MINUTE
%-LEFT,
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT
THE
%-APPETITE
FOR
MORE
INVESTMENTS OF%-THE KIND THAT
YOU
JUST
%-MENTIONED?
%- >> YOU KNOW,
THAT'S A GOOD
%-QUESTION.%-UNDER THE WALKER
ADMINISTRATION,%-THERE WERE
SEVERAL
PROPOSALS
TO
%-INCREASE FUNDING FOR DIVERSION
%-AND
OUTREACH AND
OTHER
ITEMS
%-WITHIN
THE
HOMELESS
CRISIS
%-RESPONSE
SYSTEM AND,
%-UNFORTUNATELY, EVEN UNDER THE
%-LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR'S
LEADERSHIP%-AT THAT
TIME,
THEY
STILL
STALLED
%-OUT IN THE
LEGISLATURE.%-I
KNOW
THAT GOVERNOR
EVERS
IS
%-INTERESTED IN
ADDRESSING AND
%-MAKING
SOME
GOOD
INVESTMENTS IN
%-HOMELESSNESS.
%-WE JUST
NEED
THE
LEGISLATURE TO
%-COME ALONG
BOARD.%- >> CARRIE
POSER,
THANKS VERY
%-MUCH.%-THANK YOU FOR
YOUR
WORK.%- >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING%-ME.
%- >> THE STATE SENATE
PASSED
TWO
%-BILLS
THIS WEEK
DESIGNED TO
%-JUMP-START THE
CONSTRUCTION
OF
%-ELECTRIC
VEHICLE
CHARGING
%-STATIONS ACROSS THE STATE
BY
%-TAPPING INTO
NEARLY
$80
MILLION
%-IN
FEDERAL
FUNDS.
%-THE
MEASURES NOW
GO TO
THE
%-ASSEMBLY.%-A CHANGE IN
LAW
IS
REQUIRED
TO
%-ALLOW GAS
STATION
LIKE KWIK TRIP
%-OR OTHER
BUSINESSES
TO
CHARGE
%-THREE
CENTS
PER
KILOWATT HOUR
TO
%-CHARGE
UP
BECAUSE
CURRENT
LAW
%-ONLY ALLOWS
PUBLIC
UTILITIES
TO
%-CHARGE
FOR
ELECTRICITY.
%-ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS
ADVOCATE
%-FOR MORE
E.V. CHARGING
STATIONS.
%-WE
GET
CLEAN
WISCONSIN'S
TAKE ON
%-A
POTENTIAL
LAW
CHANGE
CLEARING
%-THE
WAY
WITH
CHELSEA
CHANDLER.%-THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH
US.%- >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.%->> SO WHAT IS YOUR REACTION
TO
%-THESE
BILLS
THAT
PASSED IN
THE
%-SENATE AND ARE ON
THEIR
WAY TO
%-THE
ASSEMBLY.
%- >> THESE BILLS ARE
REALLY
%-IMPORTANT
FOR
UNLOCKING
$78
%-MILLION
IN
FEDERAL
FUNDING
MADE
%-POSSIBLE BY THE BIDEN
%-ADMINISTRATION'S INFRASTRUCTURE%-LAW AS
PART OF
THE
NATIONAL
%-ELECTRIC
VEHICLE
INFRASTRUCTURE
%-PROGRAM.%-BUT THERE
ARE A COUPLE
OF
%-REQUIREMENTS
IN
THAT
PROGRAM
%-THAT WISCONSIN STATE
LAW IS
NOT
%-MEETING RIGHT NOW.
%-SO WHAT
THESE BILLS
DO, THEY'RE%-GOING TO BRING
US
INTO
ALIGNMENT
%-WITH THOSE
REQUIREMENTS
SO WE
%-CAN
ACCESS
THOSE
CRITICAL
FUNDS
%-AND
BRING
MORE
ELECTRIC VEHICLE
%-CHARGING INTO
THE
STATE.
%-FUNDAMENTALLY,
THE
ISSUE
IS
%-ABOUT
HOW
PEOPLE
PAY
TO
CHARGE
%-THEIR
VEHICLES
IN
WISCONSIN.%-RIGHT NOW,
WISCONSIN
IS ONE OF
%-ONLY TWO
STATES IN
THE
COUNTRY%-THAT IS
HAVING
PEOPLE PAID BY
%-THE
AMOUNT
OF
TIME
THAT
THEY'RE
%-CHARGING
THEIR
VEHICLES INSTEAD%-OF THE
AMOUNT
OF
ENERGY
THAT%-THEY'RE USING IN
KILOWATT
HOURS.
%-SO
IT'S A LITTLE
BIT
FUNNY,
%-REALLY.
%-IF
YOU'RE
CHARGING
YOUR
GAS
CAR%-AT THE
PUMP,
YOU
WOULDN'T
PAY%-FOR THE
AMOUNT OF
TIME
YOU'RE
%-SITTING
THERE.
%-YOU'D
EXPECT
TO
PAY FOR
THE%-NUMBER OF
GALLONS
THAT
YOU'RE
%-PUTTING
INTO YOUR
VEHICLE.
%-SO THIS IS THE
SAME
THING.%-IT WOULD KIND OF MAKE
IT
MORE
%-FAIR, SO THAT IF
THE
PUMP
IS
%-SLOWER OR
YOUR ELECTRIC
VEHICLE
%-IS
CHARGING A LITTLE
SLOWER,
%-YOU'RE STILL
PAYING FOR THE
%-AMOUNT OF
ENERGY
THAT
YOU'RE
%-USING.%-AND THE REASON WE HAVE
IT SET
UP
%-THAT WAY RIGHT
NOW
IS IT'S KIND
%-OF
A
WORK-AROUND
BECAUSE, AS
YOU
%-SAID RIGHT
NOW,
WISCONSIN
SEES
%-ANYONE
WHO
IS
PROVIDING
%-ELECTRICITY AS
BEING
AN
ELECTRIC
%-UTILITY AND
THAT'S
REALLY
NOT
%-THE INTENT
HERE.
%-THE INTENT
IS
JUST FOR
A
COMPANY%-TO BE
ABLE
TO
PROVIDE
A
SERVICE%-TO
CAR
OWNERS WHO WANT
TO
POWER
%-THEIR
VEHICLES.
%- >> HOW
SORELY
ARE
THESE
CHARGING
%-STATIONS NEEDED
AROUND
%-WISCONSIN?%- >> WE REALLY
NEED
MORE
ELECTRIC
%-VEHICLE
CHARGING
INFRASTRUCTURE.%-I THINK THAT'S
THE
BIGGEST
%-BARRIER TO
HAVING
MORE
%-WIDESPREAD ADOPTION
OF
ELECTRIC
%-CARS IN
WISCONSIN.
%-PEOPLE NEED TO
BE
ABLE
TO
TRAVEL
%-AND
COMMUTE
WITH
CONFIDENCE
THAT%-THEY
CAN, YOU
KNOW,
REPOWER
%-THEIR
VEHICLE
AS
EASILY
IDEALLY
%-AS YOU CAN
FILL
IT
UP AT
A
PUMP%-AND WE
REALLY
NEED
MORE
ELECTRIC
%-CARS IN
WISCONSIN FOR
A
FEW
%-REASONS.
%-REALLY, BECAUSE
THERE'S
BENEFITS%-TO THE
CLIMATE, THERE'S
BENEFITS
%-WHEN IT
COMES
TO
AIR
POLLUTION
%-AND
DISPLACING SOME OF
THOSE
%-EMISSIONS OUT OF THE
TAILPIPE
%-AND THEN
THERE'S
REALLY A LOT
OF
%-ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVING
%-MORE ELECTRIC
CARS
IN
WISCONSIN
%-COULD
UNLOCK.
%-I
KNOW
COINCIDENTALLY
TODAY,
%-U.S.
ENERGY
SECRETARY
GRANT
HOLM
%-AND
ACTING
LABOR
SECRETARY
WERE
%-VISITING WISCONSIN
TO
TALK
ALL
%-ABOUT
ELECTRIC
VEHICLE
CHARGING
%-INFRASTRUCTURE, KIND OF
MADE
IN
%-AMERICA
OPPORTUNITIES FOR
%-WISCONSIN, AND SO BASICALLY THAT%-IS
AN
OPPORTUNITY
WISCONSIN
%-COMPANIES
BASED
IN
MILWAUKEE,
%-THEY'RE
EXPANDING
THEIR
%-PRODUCTION OF
E.V.
CHARGERS, SO
%-THEY SEE
THAT
AS AN
OPPORTUNITY.%-AND THEN
THERE'S
THE
PLACES
THAT%-WILL BE
HOSTING
THE
E.V.
%-CHARGING
PLACES
LIKE KWIK
TRIP
%-WHO
WERE
VERY
ACTIVE AND
%-SUPPORTIVE THROUGHOUT THE%-PROCESS OF
ADVANTAGES THESE
%-BILLS
BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
BE
%-ABLE
TO
OFFER
SERVICES
TO
MORE
%-CUSTOMERS WHO CAN COME
CHARGE
%-THEIR
VEHICLES
AND
THEN
STOP AND
%-GET A
CUP
OF
COFFEE
OR
A
BITE TO
%-EAT.%- >> I WAS GOING TO
ASK
ABOUT
THAT
%-IDEA
THAT
BUSINESSES
LIKE KWIK%-TRIP ARE
IN
FAVOR,
BECAUSE YOU'D
%-THINK THAT
E.V.
CHARGERS MIGHT
%-COMPLETE WITH THEIR
GASOLINE
%-SALES.%- >> I THINK
THESE
IT
AS
PART OF
%-THE
FUTURE.%-IT'S A
MORE DIVERSE PORTFOLIO SO
%-MORE
PEOPLE
ARE
SWITCHING
TO
%-ELECTRIC CARS
SO
MIGHT AS WELL
%-BE A PART
OF
THAT.%-THEY CAN
MAKE
MONEY
BY
PEOPLE
%-COMING INTO THE STORE
AND IS
%-GETTING SOME
FOOD.
%-THAT'S
WHAT I
DO
WHEN
I'M
%-CHARGING MY CAR.
%-IT'S
NICE TO
HAVE
SOME FOR
THE
%-KIDS TO
GET
A
BITE
TO
EAT,
USE
%-THE
BATHROOM, AND BE
ON MY
WAY.
%- >> IS THE
GOAL TO
HAVE
THESE
%-CHARGING
STATIONS
EVERY
50
%-MILES, AS
IS
FEDERAL
GUIDANCE,%-AND IF
SO, HOW
LONG WOULD
IT
%-TAKE FOR
WISCONSIN TO GET
THERE?
%- >> SO THERE'S
BEEN
PRETTY
%-ELABORATE PLANNING PROCESS
TO
%-COMPLY WITH
THIS
NATIONAL
%-VEHICLE INFRASTRUCTURE
PROGRAM.
%-WATCHING
HAS
WISCONSIN
%-INFRASTRUCTURE VEHICLE
PLAN THAT
%-WAS-APPROVED
IN
2022, AND
SO
%-THEY
LOOKED
AT ALL OF THE
MAJOR
%-CORRIDORS MAKING SURE THAT
THEY
%-GET
THAT
COVERAGE AT
LEAST
EVERY
%-50 MILES
SO WE
CAN
MAKE
IT
%-CONVENIENT FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE
%-TRAVELING ACROSS
THE
STATE AND
%-OF THAT CONFIDENCE THAT THEY
CAN
%-RECHARGE.
%-SO
THE
BILLS
HAVE PASSED
THE
%-SENATE THIS
WEEK.
%-THE NEXT TO
STEP IS
TO
PASS
THE
%-ASSEMBLY AND
THEN
THE
GOVERNMENT
%-COULD SIGN
INTO
LAW
AND
THEN
THE%-DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION%-ALREADY HAS
A
REQUEST
FOR
%-PROPOSALS OUT
FOR
PEOPLE WHO
%-WANT TO
BUILD
THESE
CHARGING
%-STATIONS.
%-SO THAT IS
OPEN
UNTIL
APRIL
%-1st.%-SO
BASICALLY, AS LONG AS WE CAN
%-GET
THESE
BILLS
PASSED
AND KIND
%-OF MAKE SURE
WE'RE
ADHERING TO
%-THE FEDERAL
REQUIREMENTS, WE
%-COULD, AS I
UNDERSTAND, HAVE
%-MONEY OUT
THE
DOOR
STARTING
IN
%-APRIL.%- >> ALL
RIGHT.
%-CHELSEA
CHANDLER, THANK YOU VERY
%-MUCH.%- >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.%->> ALSO AT THE CAPITOL THIS
%-WEEK, HUNDREDS GATHERED
TO
%-COMMEMORATE THE LIFE
AND
LESSONS
%-OF
DR. MARTIN
LUTHER KING,
JR.
%- >> AND LET ME
COMMEND
THE STATE
%-OF
WISCONSIN
FOR
BEING ONE OF
%-THE
FIRST TO
HONOR
THIS
GIANT OF
%-A MAN, THE
LIBERATOR
OF
OUR
%-PEOPLE, THE
DRUM
MAJOR
FOR
%-JUSTICE,
THE
REVEREND
DR. MARTIN
%-LUTHER KING,
JR.
AND HAS
%-CONTINUED TO HONOR
THIS
HERO
FOR
%-43
YEARS
NO
MATTER
WHO HAS
BEEN
%-THE
GOVERNOR OF
THIS
STATE.
%- >> DR. ALLEN'S
SPEECH IMPRESSED
%-UPON THE
DANGERS
OF
APATHY WHEN
%-IT
COMES
TO
RACIAL
INJUSTICE,
%-EDUCATION,
HEALTHCARE, FAIR
%-HOUSING,
WEALTH
INEQUALITY AND
%-BLACK HISTORY
AND HE
HIGHLIGHTED
%-THE
WORK
OF
DR. ALEX IF
WE,
WHO
%-CREATED
A
COURTROOM
TO
TEACH
THE
%-HISTORY THAT BLACK
HISTORY
IS
%-AMERICAN
HISTORY.
%-GEE
FOUNDED
THE
PROGRAM,
%-JUSTIFIED
ANGER,
BLACK
HISTORY
%-FOR A NEW
DAY.%-"HERE AND NOW"
SPECIAL PROJECTS
%-JOURNALIST, MUST HAVE
!!!
MURV SEYMORE
SPOKE%-WITH HIM ABOUT
THE
LAST
DECADE%-OF
THIS
WEEK.
%- >> 10 YEARS IS NOT
ENOUGH
TIME
%-TO
FIX ALL
OF
OUR
PROBLEMS IN
%-THE BLACK
COMMUNITY, BUT
IT'S
%-ENOUGH
TIME TO
MOVE
THE
NEEDLE.%-HOW MUCH
HAS
THE
NEEDLE MOVED
%-SINCE YOU
BEGAN
THIS
EFFORT?
%- >> THE ISSUE WITH
THE
BLACK
%-COMMUNITY IS
NOT THE
BLACK
%-COMMUNITY.%-THE
ISSUE WITH
THE
BLACK
%-COMMUNITY IS
SYSTEMIC
RACISM.
%-IT'S THE
STRUCTURES THAT ARE
IN
%-PLACE AND
PEOPLE THAT
ARE
%-LEADING THEM
AND
BENEFITING FROM
%-THEM.%-THAT'S
GOT TO BE
CHANGED.
%-THAT'S
GOT TO
BE
ACKNOWLEDGED
%-AND
HELD
ACCOUNTABLE IF
WE'RE
%-GOING TO SEE
REALLY
TRUE
%-THRIVING.
%-SO
WHEN
PEOPLE ASK ME
ARE
THINGS
%-BETTER, I WANT TO ASK
THEM,
%-WELL,
HOW HAVE YOU
CHANGED?
%-HOW
HAVE
YOUR
FRIENDSHIPS
%-CHANGED?
%-YOUR OFFICE
CHANGED,
YOUR
BOARD
%-CHANGED, YOUR
LEADERS
CHANGED?
%-THAT'S A
TRUE
INDICATION OF
%-THIS.%-I'M
NOT
FIXING
BLACK
PEOPLE SO
%-THAT
WHITE
PEOPLE
CONFIDENTIAL
%-MORE
COMFORTABLE.%-BY ADDRESSING THE ISSUES
OF
%-BLACK
PEOPLE,
I'M
HELPING THIS
%-COMMUNITY TO
BECOME
REALLY WHAT
%-I CAN
BE,
WHO
IT
REALLY CAN
BE,%-AND
THE
PLACE
WHERE
EVERYONE
CAN
%-THRIVE.
%-BUT UNTIL
THEN, I
WOULD
TRAIN%-WOULD BE
WHITE
ALLIES
TO
%-UNDERSTAND THE
BENEFIT
OF WORK
%-THAT THEY
DO
IN
THEIR
%-COMMUNITIES
TO
HELP
THEM
%-DISMANTLE
THESE
IMPEDIMENTS TO
%-BLACKWELLNESS
AND
BLACK
HEALTH.
%-WHEN THAT
BEGINS
TO
HAPPEN ON
A
%-LARGE
SCALE, WE
WILL
SEE
HUGE
%-CHANGE.%-SO
THE
WHITE
COMMUNITY IS NOT
%-WAITING FOR US.
%-WE'RE
WAITING FOR
THE
WHITE
%-COMMUNITY.%- >> THE AIM IS
TO
NOT
JUST
%-EDUCATE ABOUT BLACK
HISTORY,
%-IT'S
ALSO
ABOUT
LETTING
WHITE
%-RESIDENTS
LEARN
ABOUT
%-THEMSELVES.%- >> OH,
OH,
DEFINITELY.%-BECAUSE
LEARNING
ABOUT BLACK
%-HISTORY WON'T
CHANGE
ANYTHING.
%-LEARNING ABOUT
THEMSELVES
WILL
%-CHANGE
EVERYTHING.
%- >> WHAT DO
THEY
LEARN?
%- >> THEY LEARN
WHAT'S
REALLY
%-MEANT BY
THE
TERM
WHITE
%-PRIVILEGE, THAT THAT'S
NOT JUST
%-A
MONIKER,
IT'S
NOT
JUST
THROWN
%-OFF ON
PEOPLE.
%-BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVEN THE OPTION
%-TO
NOT
ONLY TO
BE
WHITE, WHICH
%-IS TO BE
AMERICAN, BUT TO
NOT BE
%-BLACK.
%- O THAT
NO
MATTER
WHAT
DAY
THE
%-COUNTRY
PUT ON
YOU AS
A
WHITE
%-PERSON, THEY COULD ALWAYS
SAY,%-AT
LEAST
I'M NOT
BLACK,
AND
SO
%-THEN
THAT
COMPLETELY
POLARIZED
%-THE
COUNTRY
BETWEEN BLACK AND
%-WHITE OR
WHITE
AND
OTHER.
%-AND
WHEN
PEOPLE LEARN
THAT,
THEY
%-REALIZE
THAT
ONCE
YOU
%-DICHOTOMIZE PEOPLE THAT
WAY,
%-ONCE YOU
POLARIZE THEM
THAT
WAY,%-YOU
CAN
PUT
THEM
AT
ODDS
AROUND
%-ANYTHING.%-SEPARATE THEM HOW
THEY
LIVE
AND
%-THEY NEVER
COME
TOGETHER
SO THAT
%-WE
NEVER WORK
TOGETHER.
%-WE
DON'T
CREATE
SOLUTIONS
%-TOGETHER
WITHOUT
EVEN REALIZING
%-IT, WE'VE BEEN MADE TO
BE THE
%-ENEMIES OF EACH OTHER
AND
%-FEARFUL OF EACH
OTHER.%- >> HOW
DOES
THE
PROGRAM
WORK?
%- >> I'VE ALWAYS
THOUGHT
IF
PEOPLE
%-UNDERSTOOD HOW WE
GOT
TO
WHERE%-WE
ARE IN TERMS
OF RACE
%-RELATIONS, LET'S
JUST
TALK ABOUT
%-THE WAY
THE
COUNTRY
WAS
BUILT,%-LET'S LOOK
AT
OUR
HISTORY AT
A
%-NONPOLITICAL
ACADEMIC
%-PERSPECTIVE.%-I
FELT
THAT
PEOPLE,
NONBLACK
%-PEOPLE
WOULD
SAY,
WOW, I DIDN'T%-KNOW
THAT.
%-REALLY.
%-HMM.
%-I UNDERSTAND
THINGS A LOT
%-DIFFERENTLY NOW.
%-NOW I
KNOW
HOW
STRATEGIC
WE MUST
%-BE IN
DISMANTLING THIS
IF
PEOPLE
%-ARE
STRATEGIC IN
MILITANTLING
MANTLING
THIS
%-AND IT'S
BEEN A
VERY
POWERFUL
%-TOOL FOR PEOPLE
TO
UNDERSTAND
%-HOW
WE
ARRIVED AT
THIS
PLACE OF
%-A
RACIALIZED
AMERICA.
%- >> FOR MORE ON
THIS AND
OTHER
%-ISSUES FACING
WISCONSIN,
VISIT
%-OUR
WEBSITE
AT
PBSWISCONSIN.ORG
%-AND
THEN
CLICK ON
THE
NEWS
TAB.
%-THAT'S OUR
PROGRAM
FOR
TONIGHT.
%-I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.%-HAVE A
GOOD
WEEKEND.
%->> FUNDING FOR "HERE AND NOW" IS%-PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR%-JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS%-WISCONSIN.