%
-TEST
%- >> THE FOLLOWING
PROGRAM IS
A%-PBS
WISCONSIN
ORIGINAL
%-PRODUCTION.
%- >> WE'VE REACHED
AN
AGREEMENT
%-HERE IN
THE
ASSEMBLY ON
THE
%-BREWERS
PACKAGE.
%- >> A
FLURRY
OF
ACTIVITY IN THE
%-STATE
CAPITOL,
INCLUDING A
NEW
%-DEAL
TO
UPDATE
THE
BREWERS
%-BASEBALL
STADIUM IN AN
EFFORT
TO%-KEEP THE
TEAM
IN
MILWAUKEE.
%-PLUS,
WISCONSIN
REACTION ON
THE
%-DEADLY
CONFLICT
IN
GAZA.
%-I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.
%-TONIGHT
ON "HERE & NOW,"
TWO
%-MEMBERS
OF
CONGRESS
JOIN
US
WITH
%-THEIR THOUGHTS ON
HOW
TO
PROCEED%-ON THE
DEADLY
AND
DEVELOPING
%-CONFLICT BETWEEN
ISRAEL AND
%-HAMAS,
AND
WE
ASK
THEM ABOUT THE
%-HUNT FOR
A
NEW HOUSE
SPEAKER.
%-THEN, A
ROUND-UP OF A
BUSY
WEEK%-IN
THE
STATE
LEGISLATURE.%-ALSO
TONIGHT, WE
LEARN
ABOUT
A
%-PROGRAM THAT
AIMS
TO
INCREASE
%-BLACK
HOMEOWNERSHIP.
%-IT'S "HERE & NOW"
FOR
OCTOBER
%-20.%- >> FUNDING FOR "HERE & NOW" IS%-PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR%-JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS%-WI
SCONSIN.
%-♪
%- >> THE HORROR CONTINUES
TO
%-UNFOLD, NOW
NEARLY
TWO
WEEKS
%-AFTER
HAMAS
TERRORISTS
LAUNCHED
%-A
DEADLY SURPRISE
ATTACK
IN
%-ISRAEL.%-PRESIDENT BIDEN
SEEKS
$100
%-BILLION IN
MILITARY
AND
%-HUMANITARIAN
AID,
INCLUDING FOR
%-ISRAEL
AND
UKRAINE.
%-MEANWHILE,
LEADERSHIP IN
THE%-HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH%-WOULD HAVE
TO
VOTE
ON
THAT
AID
%-PACKAGE, HAS
BEEN
IN
CHAOS.
%-THE
REPUBLICAN
MAJORITY
HAS
%-STRUGGLED
MIGHTILY
TO
ELECT
A
%-SPEAKER.%-ON
THIS,
WE
HEAD
TO
WASHINGTON
%-NOW FOR A
CHECK-IN WITH
MEMBERS%-OF
THE
WISCONSIN
CONGRESSIONAL
%-DELEGATION ON
THIS
DEVELOPING
%-SITUATION
ON
TWO
FRONTS.
%-FIRST,
WE
TALK
WITH
WISCONSIN
%-SIXTH
CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT
%-U.S.
REPRESENTATIVE
REPUBLICAN%-GLENN
GROTHMAN.
%-CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING%-WITH
US.
%- >> HAPPY TO BE ON
THE
SHOW.
%- >> SO YOU AND
THE
REST OF
THE
%-WISCONSIN
DELEGATION
CONTINUED
%-TO
SUPPORT
REPRESENTATIVE JIM
%-JORDAN
IN
MULTIPLE
FAILED
VOTES
%-FOR
SPEAKER.
%-MINUS DERRICK VAN ORDEN, WHO WE
%-KNOW IS
ABSENT
BECAUSE
HE IS
NOW
%-IN
ISRAEL.%-WHAT IS
YOUR
RESPONSE
TO
BEING
%-PART OF
THIS
DISARRAY,
REALLY,
%-THAT
HAS
LEFT
U.S.
GOVERNMENT
%-UNABLE
TO
FULLY
GOVERN?
%- >> THE PROBLEM
IS, I
THINK
%-LEADERSHIP OVER A
PERIOD
OF
%-YEARS,
AND
MAYBE
THEY
COULDN'T
%-HAVE
DONE
ANYTHING
DIFFERENT,
%-FAILED
TO
INSTILL IN
THE
%-REPUBLICANS
THE
IDEA
THAT YOU
%-HAVE
AN
INTERNAL,
FIRST,
A
PAPER
%-BALLOT
VOTE,
A
SECRET
VOTE
%-BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO
WANT TO
BE
%-SPEAKER AND
THEN
THE
PERSON
WHO
%-WINS THAT
VOTE,
EVERY
SINGLE
%-REPUBLICAN IS
SUPPOSED
TO
STICK
%-BEHIND
THEM ON
THE
FLOOR
SO WE
%-CAN GO
AHEAD.
%-UNFORTUNATELY, IN
THE
LAST
WEEK%-OR
SO, THERE
ARE
A
GIVEN NUMBER%-OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD
NOT
VOTE
FOR%-KEVIN
McCARTHY, THE
SPEAKER.
%-I VOTED FOR
HIM.%-THERE WERE
A
GIVEN NUMBER
OF
%-PEOPLE WHO
WOULD
NOT
VOTE
FOR
%-STEVE
SCALISE, WHO
WAS
THE
%-MAJORITY SPEAKER.%-WE DID
NOT
TAKE
THAT
VOTE TO THE
%-FLOOR, BUT
10
TO
15
PEOPLE
MADE
%-A
CREDIBLE THREAT
THAT THEY
%-WOULD
NOT
VOTE ON
THE
FLOOR
SO
%-SCALISE
WITHDRAW.
%-THE
THIRD
MAN
UP
WAS JIM
JORDAN,%-AND HE WAS
GIVEN
HIM
THREE
%-VOTES, WHICH IS MORE
THAN
ENOUGH
%-VOTES, AND
HE
LOST,
20,
THEN
22,
%-THEN 25
VOTES.
%-SO YOUR
LISTENERS UNDERSTAND%-THAT IF
THEY
LOSE MORE
THAN
%-THREE
VOTES,
THEY
DON'T HAVE THE
%-VOTES TO
GOVERN.
%-AND LIKE I
SAID, I
THINK
IT
%-COMES DOWN
TO A
LACK
OF
%-PREPARATION FROM
THE
BEGINNING.%-I THINK OF
THE
EIGHT
PEOPLE
WHO
%-VOTED
AGAINST KEVIN
McCARTHY,%-I BELIEVE
ONLY ONE
OF
THOSE
%-EIGHT WAS
AROUND WHEN I
GOT
TO
%-CONGRESS JUST A
FEW
YEARS
AGO.
%-SO I
THINK
WE'VE TO
BE
A
REALLY
%-BAD
JOB
OF
EDUCATING
THE
%-FRESHMEN ON
THE
IDEA
BEHIND TEAM
%-PLAY.%- >> A HOUSE
VOTE WOULD BE
NEEDED%-FOR THE
$100
BILLION
MILITARY
%-AND
HUMANITARIAN AID
PACKAGE
TO
%-INCLUDE
ISRAEL
AND
UKRAINE
THAT%-PRESIDENT
BIDEN
IS
SEEKING
AND
%-SPOKE
TO
IN AN
ADDRESS TO
THE
%-NATION THURSDAY
NIGHT.%-WHAT
IS
YOUR
SUPPORT
FOR
THAT%-KIND
OF
AID
PACKAGE?
%- >> THERE ARE
TWO
PARTS TO
IT.%-FIRST OF
ALL,
WE
DO
HAVE TO
GET
%-AID TO
ISRAEL,
BUT WE
ALSO
HAVE
%-TO
REALIZE
THAT
WE'VE
GOT TO
%-MAKE IT
CLEAR TO JOE
BIDEN,
%-WE'RE
NOT
TAKING
THESE
%-PALESTINIAN
FOLKS
IN
AS
AMERICAN
%-REFUGEES.%-THEY'VE BEEN RAISED AS EARLY
ON
%-TO
HATE
JEWS
IN
GENERAL,
AND
%-EGYPT, WHICH
IS
THE
OBVIOUS
%-PLACE
FOR
THESE
PEOPLE TO
GO,
%-WILL
NOT
TAKE
THEM.
%-THEY
WON'T
TAKE
THEM
BECAUSE
%-THEY
KNOW
VERY
WELL WHO
THEY'D
%-BE
GETTING,
SO
WE
DON'T
WANT
%-THESE
GAZA PEOPLE SHOWING UP
%-HERE, MUCH LESS
A
MILLION
OF
%-THEM.
%-AS
FOR
UKRAINE,
I
VOTED
FOR
%-UKRAINE
PACKAGES
SIX
TIMES IN
%-THE
PAST,
BUT
THE
BIDEN
%-ADMINISTRATION
HAS
NOT
TRYING
TO
%-NEGOTIATE AN
END
HERE
OR
THEY'RE
%-NOT
DEPUTIZING THE TURKS
OR
THE
%-FRENCH OR
SOMEBODY TO WORK
%-TOWARDS AN
END.
%-THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION HAS%-BEEN GOING
ON FOR
ABOUT
A
YEAR%-AND A
HALF AND I
WOULD
BE
HAPPY%-IF IT
WENT
ON
ANOTHER
YEAR AND A
%-HALF
WITHOUT
ANY
STEPS
TOWARDS
%-PEACE.%-SOMEHOW WE'VE GOT
TO
SEND
THE
%-MESSAGE TO
THE BIDEN
%-ADMINISTRATION THAT WE
WANT
%-PEACE
IN
RUSSIA
AND THEY
ARE
%-DOING, FROM
WHAT I
CAN
TELL,
%-NOTHING.
%-ALSO,
WHEN
THE
RUSSIA-UKRAINE%-WAR
STARTED,
IT
SEEMS
LIKE
EVERY
%-SIX WEEKS
OR
COUPLE
MONTHS,
WE
%-CEDE PRIVATE
BRIEFINGS FROM THE
%-RELEVANT
PEOPLE IN THE BIDEN
%-ADMINISTRATION AS TO WHAT WAS
%-GOING
ON.
%-WE HAVE
NOT
RECEIVED
A
BRIEFING
%-ON
WHAT'S
GOING
ON
IN
UKRAINE
%-SINCE
BEFORE
CHRISTMAS.%-SO
FOR
WHATEVER
REASON,
THE%-BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS NOT
%-TALKING
TO
CONGRESS
AND
THAT'S
%-ANOTHER
REASON
TO
VOTE
"NO"
FOR
%-NOW
UNTIL THEY
LET
US
KNOW
%-WHAT'S
GOING
ON
THERE.
%- >> SO YOU ARE
SAYING
WITH LESS
%-THAN 30 SECONDS
LEFT, THAT YOU
%-WOULD VOTE
"NO"
ON
THIS
MILITARY
%-AND
HUMANITARIAN
AID
PACKAGE?
%- >> I
WOULDN'T
CALL
IT
%-HUMANITARIAN AND
MILITARY.
%-WHAT WE WANT
IS
SOME
EFFORT
%-PROPERTY BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION TO%-WORK
TOWARDS
PEACE AND
SOME
%-GUARANTEE THEY'RE
NOT GOING
TO
%-OPEN UP THE DOORS
AND
GIVE
US
A
%-MILLION
PALESTINIAN
REFUGEES.%- >> GLENN
GROTHMAN,
THANKS VERY
%-MUCH.%- >> THANK YOU.
%- >> NEXT, WE
TURN
TO
SECOND
%-CONGRESSIONAL
DISTRICT
U.S.
%-REPRESENTATIVE MARK
POCAN,
WHO
%-HAS
CALLED FOR A
CEASEFIRE
OF
%-HOSTILITIES AGAINST
CIVILIANS IN
%-THE
WAR
BETWEEN
ISRAEL
AND
%-HAMAS.%-TO PAVE THE
WAY
FOR
ROBUST
AID
%-IN
AN
UNFOLDING
HUMANITARIAN
%-CRISIS.%-HE JOINS
US
NOW.
%-THANKS VERY MUCH
FOR
BEING
HERE.
%- >> YEAH.%-THANK
YOU,
FREDERICA.
%- >> FIRST, IN THE
FACE
OF
WAR
AND
%-HUMANITARIAN
CRISIS,
THE HOUSE%-OF
REPRESENTATIVES
REPUBLICAN
%-MAJORITY IS IN
CHAOS.
%-HOW
DOES
THEIR
STRUGGLE TO
ELECT
%-A SPEAKER
EFFECT
THE
U.S.
%-RESPONSE
THIS
ISRAEL?
%- >> WELL,
IT
AFFECTS
ANYTHING%-THAT WE CAN
DO
IN
CONGRESS.
%-WE
CAN'T
PASS
ANY
LEGISLATION ON
%-THE FLOOR UNTIL WE
HAVE
A
%-SPEAKER,
BY
OUR
RULES,
AND%-BECAUSE
OF
THAT,
UNTIL WE
HAVE
A
%-SPEAKER, WE'RE
A
BIT
PARALYZED.
%-NOW,
ACTION
HAPPENS
OFTEN AT
THE
%-ADMINISTRATION LEVEL SO
THE
%-PRESIDENT
IS
ACTING
AND
DOING
%-WHAT WE
NEED
TO IN
THE
IMMEDIATE
%-SITUATION IN
SOME
WORLD
EVENTS,
%-BUT WE
DO
NEED
CONGRESS
TO
PASS
%-FUNDING AND
OTHER
ISSUES THAT
%-ARE GOING TO
HAVE
TO
HAPPEN AND%-YOU CAN ONLY
DO
THAT
WHEN
THE
%-REPUBLICAN CAUCUS
BECOMES
LESS
%-CHAOTIC AND CAN
SELECT
A
%-SPEAKER.
%- >> DID PRESIDENT BIDEN ADDRESS
%-LAST NIGHT WHAT YOU
THINK
IS
%-NEEDED IN TERMS
OF
SUPPLEMENTL
%-MILITARY
AND
HUMANITARIAN
AID
%-FUNDING?%- >> WELL,
WHAT
WE
NEED
ABSOLUTELY
%-IS FUNDING
FOR
HUMANITARIAN
%-NEEDS
IN
PARTICULAR.%-I
THINK
THAT
FIGURE IS GOING TO%-HAVE TO BE
MUCH
MORE SUBSTANTIAL
%-THAN WE'VE
SEEN IN
THE
PAST
%-GIVEN
WORLD
EVENTS, AND I THINK
%-THAT'S REALLY
IMPORTANT, BECAUSE%-THAT IS
AN
IMPORTANT PART
OF
HOW
%-THE U.S.
IS
POSITIONED IN THE
%-WORLD, IS THAT KIND
OF --
%-SHOWING THAT
COMPASSIONATE%-VALUES
OF
OUR
COUNTRY.
%-AND
THEN
THERE
WILL
ALSO
BE
%-ADDITIONAL MILITARY
ASSISTANCE
%-FOR
UKRAINE,
THEY'RE
PROPOSING
%-FOR
ISRAEL AND
SOME
BORDER
%-FUNDING AND OTHER
THINGS.
%-THERE'S ALSO
GOING TO
BE
ANOTHER
%-DOMESTIC
SUPPLEMENTAL THAT WILL
%-HAVE MONEY
FOR
THINGS
LIKE
%-CHILDCARE AND OTHER
ISSUES.
%-SO THOSE
ARE TWO
THINGS
THAT
%-CONGRESS DOES HAVE
TO
ACT
ON%-WHICH
IS,
AGAIN, ALL
THE MORE
%-REASON WHY
WE
NEED TO
HAVE
A
%-SPEAKER, SO THAT WE
CAN
DO
THAT.
%-SHORT OF
THAT, SOME
OF
THOSE
%-FUNDS
CANNOT
BE
EXPENDED.
%- >> YOU'VE CALLED
FOR
CESSATION
%-OF
HOSTILITIES
TOWARDS
CIVILIANS%-IN THE
REGION.%-WHAT ARE
YOUR
UTTERING
CONCERNS
%-ABOUT
WHAT'S -- URGENT
CONCERNS
%-ABOUT
WHAT'S
HAPPENING RIGHT
%-NOW?
%- >> THERE'S NO
QUESTION.%-THIS
IS
A
HORRIFIC
ATTACK
BY
A
%-TERRORIST
ORGANIZATION,
HAMAS,
%-AND THE
PRICE
HAS TO
BE
PAID.%-I
DON'T
BLAME
ISRAEL
IN
GOING
%-AFTER
HAMAS.%-THE PROBLEM
IS
WHAT
WE'RE
SEEING%-IS NOT
GOING
AFTER
STRATEGICALLY
%-HAMAS.%-WE'RE SEEING
A
COLLECTIVE
%-PUNISHMENT, IT APPEARS TO
BE,
OF
%-ALL PALESTINIANS IN
GAZA.%-THERE ARE
2.2
MILLION
PEOPLE.
%-CLEARLY THEY ARE
NOT
ALL
HAMAS.
%-HALF OF
THEM
ARE
CHILDREN.%-AND
WE'VE
SEEN
THOUSANDS PLUS
%-NOW
OF
PEOPLE
DEAD,
INCLUDING
%-CHILDREN, AND
THE
AMOUNT OF
%-BOMBING, THE
TYPE
OF
PLACES THAT
%-ARE BEING
BOMBED,
THE
VERY
BROAD
%-ATTACK IS
NOT
A
TARGETED
ATTACK
%-GOING
AFTER
HAMAS,
AND
THAT'S
%-WHY WE WANT TO
STOP
THE
%-CESSATION
OF
THIS --
IN REGARDS
%-TO
CIVILIANS
IN
PARTICULAR, AND
%-THE
ONLY
WAY THAT YOU
CAN
ENSURE
%-THAT
PEOPLE
AREN'T
BEING
JUST
%-PUNISHED IS TO DO
THAT.
%- >> JUST SPEAKING
WITH
REPUBLICAN%-GLENN
GROTHMAN,
HE AND
OTHERS
%-CALL TO
CLOSE
OUR
BORDERS
TO
%-PALESTINIAN
REFUGEES OF
WHAT'S
%-YOUR RESPONSE
TO
THAT?
%- >> IT'S
CREDIBLE
XENOPHOBIC.
%-NOT
ALL
PALESTINIANS ARE
MEMBERS
%-OF
HAMAS,
BY AN
UNBELIEVABLE
%-AMOUNT,
AND
HAMAS
DOESN'T
%-NECESSARILY REPRESENT
THE
%-PALESTINIAN
PEOPLE.%-IN
FACT, THEY'VE HAD
PEOPLE
IN
%-GAZA
UNDER
QUITE
TOUGH
%-CONDITIONS
WITH
THEIR
GOVERNING
%-IN
THAT
AREA,
COMBINED BY
THE
%-INABILITY FOR
PEOPLE TO
COME AND
%-GO BECAUSE
OF
ISRAEL
AND
EGYPT%-ON
THE
BORDERS
HAS
REALLY MADE
%-THIS, IN
MANY
WAYS,
AN
OPEN
AIR
%-PRISON
FOR
TONY
!!
2.2
MILLION
PEOPLE.%-I'VE BEEN
DENIED TO
GET
INTO
%-GAZA
WHEN I
WANTED.%-I WOULD
BE
THE
FIRST
MEMBER
IN
%-10
YEARS TO
GO
INTO
GAZA
AND
%-THEN THIS HAPPENED
OF IT'S
AN
%-ISSUE THAT'S
BEEN
BREWING
FOR A
%-LONG
TIME, BUT
CLEAR,
A
HORRIFIC
%-ATTACK LIKE
OCCURRED IS
WRONG
AT
%-ANY
LEVEL.
%-THERE'S NO
JUSTIFICATION
%-WHATSOEVER.
%-BUT
HAVING
THE
OVERRESPONSE%-THAT'S
HAPPENING,
INCLUDING
%-PEOPLE
SAYING NO
PALESTINIANS%-SHOULD
BE ABLE TO
COME,
THAT'S
A
%-RIDICULOUS STATEMENT AND
IT
%-REALLY
SHOWS I
THINK
AN
%-UNAWARENESS
OF
WHAT'S
ACTUALLY
%-HAPPENING ON THE
GROUND.
%- >> REPRESENTATIVE
MARK
POCAN,%-THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
%- >> SURE.%-THANK
YOU.
%- >> TURNING
TO
STATE
CAPITOL
%-NEWS, IT
WAS
A
BUSY
WEEK
IN
%-LEGISLATIVE
BUSINESS.
%-THE
STATE
ASSEMBLY
PASSED
A
$545
%-MILLION
PLAN FOR
RENOVATION OF%-THE
MILWAUKEE
BREWERS STADIUM
TO%-KEEP
THE
TEAM IN
THE
CITY
%-THROUGH
2050.%- >> THIS IS
A
BIPARTISAN
DEAL
%-THAT FOCUSES
ON
MAKING
SURE THAT%-WE ARE
GOING TO
GET
MORE
REVENUE
%-COMING INTO THE
STATE TO
SPEND
%-ON
PROGRAMS
THAT
PEOPLE
CONSIDER%-TO BE
IMPORTANT THAN
IF
THE
TEAM
%-LEFT.%- >> ROBIN
VOS, ASSEMBLY
SPEAKER,
%-AS
COCHAIR OF
THE
LEGISLATION
%-COMMITTEE, ALSO
APPROVED A PAY
%-RAISE
FOR
STATE
EMPLOYEES,
BUT%-NOT
FOR
UW
STAFF BECAUSE
OF
ITS
%-DIVERSITY, EQUITY AND
INCLUSION
%-POSITIONS.%- >> I WOULD LOVE
TO
OUTLIE
DEI%-AND
BE
AS
AGGRESSIVE
AS
WE
%-POSSIBLY CAN BE,
BUT
AGAIN,
%-TRYING TO
FIND
A
MIDDLE
GROUND,
%-TRYING TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE
%-SITUATION DOES
NOT
GET
WORSE
%-THAN WHERE IT IS
NOW.%- >> ON THE SENATE
SIDE,
THE
%-REPUBLICAN
MAJORITY
PASSED
A
$2
%-BILLION INCOME
TAX CUT
AND
%-EXPANDED CHILDCARE CREDITS
IN
%-ANSWER
TO GOVERNOR TONY
EVERS'
%-CALL FOR A
$1
BILLION
WORKFORCE
%-PACKAGE.
%-EVERS IS
EXPECTED TO
VETO
THE
%-REPUBLICAN
PROPOSAL.
%-MEANWHILE, THIS
WEEK,
THE
%-GOVERNOR ANNOUNCED HE
WOULD
USE
%-$170 MILLION
IN
FEDERAL
PANDEMIC
%-RELIEF MONEY
TO KEEP
THE
%-CHILDCARE
COUNTS
PROGRAM
UNTIL
%-2025.%-THE
SENATE
ALSO
VOTED
TO
FIRE
%-EIGHT
APPOINTEES
EVERS
NOMINATED
%-TO
BOARDS,
INCLUDING
THE
%-MAJORITY
OF
MEMBERS ON
THE
%-NATURAL
RESOURCES
BOARD.
%-ELECTIONS COMMISSIONER AND THE
%-CHAIR OF
THE
MEDICAL EXAMINING
%-BOARD.%-EVERS
CALLED
IT
INSANITY
AND
%-IMMEDIATELY REPLACED
THOSE
%-REJECTED WITH
NEW
APPOINTEES.%- >>> TURNING NOW
TO
OUR
SERIES
OF
%-SPECIAL
REPORTS
ON
RACE,
WITH
%-WISCONSIN
IN BLACK
AND
WHITE
IN
%-PARTNERSHIP WITH
THE
NEHEMIAH
%-CENTER
FOR
URBAN
LEADERSHIP
%-DEVELOPMENT.%-LAST
WEEK,
REPORTER
NATHAN
%-DENZIN
EXPLORED THE
LEGACY
OF
%-URBAN
RENEWAL
PROGRAMS
AND
FAIR
%-HOUSING
PROTESTS.
%-TONIGHT,
WE TAKE A
LOOK
AT
WHAT
%-ORGANIZATIONS AROUND
WISCONSIN
%-ARE DOING
NOW
TO
HELP
BLACK
%-PEOPLE BUILD
TOWARD
A
BETTER
%-FUTURE.
%-HERE'S THE
NEXT
INSTALLMENT OF
%-WISCONSIN
IN BLACK
AND
WHITE:
%-RACIAL WEALTH GAP.
music]
- Nathan Denzin: Historical wrongs like
blatant housing discrimination in Wisconsin.
- I am sorry.
We don't feel that we can rent to colored people.
- Nathan: The Federal Fair Housing Act
is supposed to protect renters or buyers
from discrimination based on a number
of protected classes, including race.
[dog barking]
However, discrimination in the housing market
has persisted in the 55 years since it became law.
- Tester 1: Is as or more prevalent today
than it has been in the past.
- Tester 2: The discrimination is a reality.
It's not hypothetical, it's not theoretical.
It still happens; it's just more subtle.
- Nathan: These two people, one white and one Black,
test for discrimination in housing
as a part of Wisconsin's Fair Housing Council,
a nonprofit that ensures realtors and landlords
follow the law.
They have been made anonymous to ensure
they can continue to test.
- Well, I'm not gonna rent it to you.
- I'm sorry? - I'm not gonna rent it to you.
- Nathan: This 1961 film was recorded in Madison
at the height of segregation,
but it was hidden by the University of Wisconsin
and never shown to the public until 2021.
Flash forward to today.
- Tester 2: In today's time, it's probably more subtle,
but they've already concluded
that they're not gonna rent you the apartment.
- Nathan: The two testers from the Fair Housing Council
recently toured the same apartment building
and found discrimination based on race.
- Tester 2: I went to an apartment building.
I asked if a unit was available October.
They said nothing was available.
- Tester 1: Yeah, they did show me more than one apartment,
so they were very, very eager to show me around.
- Nathan: However, the Black tester
had a different experience.
- Tester 2: But I never saw the actual unit
because it wasn't available.
- Tester 1: One thing I remember clearly about this
is that they were just so engaging
and they repeated, like, two or three times over,
you know, the amenities that they had.
- Tester 2: Then the person made a slip-up
and said, "Well, there was something available
in October, but that's gone now."
And so then you become aware of, like, what's going on
in the back of your mind.
- Nathan: On top of discrimination by landlords,
lenders like Associated Bank in Milwaukee, Racine,
and Kenosha were part of a recent $200 million
redlining settlement.
A federal complaint in the case alleged the denial
of mortgages to Black and Hispanic applicants.
- Many banks have been caught with their hands
in the cookie jar,
giving Black and Latino borrowers different loans
than they give whites.
- Nathan: Reggie Jackson educates people about diversity.
Jackson noted that despite the Fair Housing Act,
the Black home ownership rate
has not improved much since 1968.
Ranell Washington says that shuts Black families
out of the ability to create generational wealth.
- Housing is the cornerstone
to the beginning of a financial journey.
- There have been laws and policies that created
some of the disinvestment, the plight,
and the wrong that we're experiencing today.
Even if those laws were changed 50 years ago,
the consequences of them are still absolutely present.
- Nathan: Elmer Moore, Jr. and Ranell Washington
play critical roles in the Wisconsin Housing
and Economic Development Authority.
- It's about trying our best, honestly,
to correct some historical wrongs.
- Nathan: The duo cares deeply about evening historical gaps
caused by housing discrimination.
They provide affordable loans, rental units,
and mortgages to low-income individuals.
Plus, they invest in future housing or business projects.
- There's 147,000 families who've been able to buy homes
across the state because of the mortgages
WHEDA made available,
and they might not have otherwise been able
to afford those things.
- Making really intentional decisions to spur
affordable housing development in our inner city communities
is one of the ones that we definitely have a lens on.
- That's sequestering some resources
and intentionally investing in Black communities.
It's the right thing to do.
- Nathan: WHEDA has funded developments
in Milwaukee's Bronzeville neighborhood,
including The Griot,
which fashioned apartments out of an old schoolhouse.
- Elmer: It brought new businesses.
It obviously brought new residents.
It also does things like plants new trees.
- Housing is that cornerstone,
and from that, I can have conversations
about aspiring to be a entrepreneur.
- Nathan: Building equity in your house can spur
the creation of a second way to build wealth:
your own business.
And while Black-owned businesses have seen
an uptick in recent years, there is still a large disparity
between Black and white-owned businesses in Wisconsin.
- And our work does what lots of folks don't do,
primarily, is to center the needs of Black women.
- Nathan: Sabrina Madison is the founder
of the non-profit Progress Center
for Black Women in Madison.
- The first level that I really wanna see
is Black folks having more power in their pockets.
And I always go with the fact Black women
in Dane County on average in 2016 earned 57 cents
on every dollar made by white men.
I wanted to give Black women another option
to be successful.
- Nathan: To help close the gap,
the Progress Center provides Black women
with programming that includes financial health,
professional development, and entrepreneurship.
- Oftentimes, programming is very piecemeal,
where you gotta go to one side of town for this,
you gotta go somewhere for that,
you gotta wait on a phone call for this other thing.
And we wanted to sort of, like,
center all of your needs in one space.
- Nathan: Madison says her foundation
has helped hundreds of women create their own business
or secure a better job.
- I absolutely wanna see the rest of the state,
but more importantly, Madison and Milwaukee
extend its Black leaders through wealth creation
because with wealth, you have more power.
- Nathan: Despite the work of WHEDA
and the Progress Center,
Madison says everyone has to buy in
to make Wisconsin a more equitable place.
- So these visions that Black folks have
for their lives as Wisconsinites,
'cause we too are from Wisconsin and we too live here,
that you want to also be part of this vision
and see this vision expanded.
- Nathan: While that vision might take years
to be realized, Madison says the work starts today.
ForHere & Now, I'm Nathan Denzin.
%%- >> OUR WISCONSIN IN BLACK AND
%-WHITE
SERIES ON
THE
RACIAL
%-WEALTH GAP
FOCUSED ON
THE
%-BARRIERS
TO
HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR
%-PEOPLE OF
COLOR
IN
WISCONSIN.
%-SPECIAL PROJECT
JOURNALIST,
MURV
%-SEYMORE,
LAUNCHED THE
FRONTAGE
%-AND
TONIGHT
HAS
THIS
REPORT
ON
%-WORK
IN
TWO
CITIES TO
GET
PEOPLE
%-INTO
THEIR
OWN
HOMES,
STARTING
%-FIRST IN MILWAUKEE.
%- >> THE CITY
OF
MILWAUKEE HAS
A
%-$5,000 GRANT BUT YOU
HAVE
TO
%-LIVE IN THE
CITY
OF
MILWAUKEE.
%- >> SCHOOL IS ALWAYS
IN
AT
%-MILWAUKEE AREA
TECHNICAL
%-COLLEGE.
%- >> THE
MINIMAL
CREDIT
SCORE
%-REQUIREMENT TO
GET
PREAPPROVED%-FOR A HOME
LOAN
IS
620.%- >> ON THIS DAY.
%->> MAKE SURE
THAT YOU'RE
PAYING
%-YOUR BILLS
ON
TIME.
%->> A
MENTORING
GROUP
THAT
HELPS%-BLACK
AND
PRONOUN
MEN
GET
%-THROUGH COLLEGE
LEARN
THE INS%-AND OUTS
OF WHAT
IT TAKES TO
BE
%-A
HOMEOWNER.
%- >> YOU NEED
TO
SHOWED THAT%-YOU'VE BEEN WORKING
FOR
SIX
%-MONTHS TO
AID
YEAR.
%- >> THE
GOAL IS
TO
EDUCATE
PEOPLE
%-TO
BECOME
HOMEOWNERS
SOONER%-RATHER THAN
LATER.%- >> I THINK
HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR
THE
%-BLACK
COMMUNITY IS
A
DREAM
THAT
%-MANY
DON'T
BELIEVE THEY
CAN
%-ACHIEVE.%- >> WHEN I
BOUGHT
THAT
COMPLEX, I
%-WAS NOT
MAKING
ANY
MONEY AT
ALL.
%- >> IT'S MORE
ABOUT
A
PLACE
TO
%-STAY.
%-YOU'REIBLE YOUR
FUTURE.
%-YOU DON'T
WANT TO
HAVE
TO%-CONTINUE
TO
RENT
FROM SOMEONE
%-AND
PAY
THEIR
MORTGAGE
WHEN
YOU%-COULD BE
PAYING
YOUR
OWN
%-MORTGAGE.
%- >> THE ALVARADO
GROUP IS
A
SMALL
%-BROKERAGE.%- >> FROM A SMALL OFFICE JUST
DOWN
%-THE STREET
FROM
CAMP
RANDALL
%-STADIUM
IN
MADISON,
OWNERS
OF%-ALVARADO REALTY GROUP LOOK TO
%-CHANGE THE
GAME
IN REAL
ESTATE.%- >> WE
ARE
UNAPOLOGETIC
ABOUT
%-SUPPORTING BLACK AND
BROWN
%-HOMEOWNERSHIP.%- >> THEY PUT THEIR
MONEY
WHERE
%-THEIR MOUTH
IS.
%-SARAH ADMITS GROWING
UP,
SHE
%-THOUGHT EVERYONE
HAD
AN
EQUAL
%-PATH TOWARDS
OWNING
A
HOME.
%- >> AT
LAST,
THE
BRYANTS
HAVE ALL
%-THE
SPACE
THEY
NEED.
%-BIG
FLOOR-TO-CEILING
CLOSETS
FOR
%-EACH MEMBER OF
THE
FAMILY.
%- >> IF
YOUR
PARENTS GO TO
%-COLLEGE, YOU
ASSUME
YOU'RE GOING%-TO
GO TO
COLLEGE.
%-IF THEY
HAVE
A
HOUSE,
YOU
ASSUME
%-YOU'RE GOING TO
HAVE
A
HOUSE,
%-UNTIL
YOU START
WORKING WITH
%-PEOPLE AND
THEY
SAY, OH, MY
%-GOSH,
IT'S
MY
DREAM TO
HAVE
A
%-HOME.
%- >> RACE-BASED POLICIES LIKE
%-REDLINING
HAVE
KEPT
%-HOMEOWNERSHIP OUT OF
REACH
FOR
%-MOST BLACK AND
BROWN
FAMILIES.
%- >> DANE COUNTY
NUMBERS,
IT'S
15%
%-OF
FAMILIES THAT ARE
BLACK
OR
%-BROWN
OWNED
HOMES
COMPARED TO
%-65%
OF WHITE
FAMILIES.
%-IN IS
THE
6
WHEN THEY
HAD
THE
%-FAIR
HOUSING
ACT
IN
1968
AND
%-THEN THEY
SAID,
OKAY,
NOW
NO
%-DISCRIMINATION, BLACK AND
BROWN
%-PEOPLE GO AHEAD AND TRY
AND
%-CATCH
UP TO
THIS
ACCUMULATION
OF
%-WEALTH
IN
THESE
NEIGHBORHOODS%-THAT HAVE BEEN
SEGREGATED ON
%-PURPOSE
AND
THESE SCHOOL%-DISTRICTS THAT HAVE BEEN
%-SEGREGATED
ON
PURPOSE,
HOW IS
%-THAT
POSSIBLE
WITHOUT
THEIR --
%-WITHOUT THERE
BEING A
PLAN
OF
%-SOME
SORT?
%- >> SARA AND
HER
HUSBAND'S
PLAN
%-IS
CALLED OWN
IT,
BUILDING BLACK
%-WEALTH.%- >> IT IS
A DOWN
PAYMENT
%-ASSISTANCE PROGRAM WITH AN
%-EDUCATION
ASPECT TO
IT.%- >> IN A
PARTNERSHIP
WITH
ONE
%-CITY
SCHOOLS
FOR MORE
THAN
85%%-OF THE
STUDENTS
ARE BLACK
AND
%-BROWN,
FUNDS
ARE
$15,000
PAYMENT
%-TOWARDS A
HOME
FOR
ANY
ONE
CITY
%-TEACHER OR
PARENT.
%- >> FOR ABOUT
LEARNING
AND
%-TEACHING
ABOUT
WEALTH
BUILDING
%-BECAUSE WEALTH
BUILDING
IN
%-ITSELF IS
CRITICAL
AND THERE
ARE
%-LOTS
OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO
DO
IT.
%- >> FUELED BY
A
GROWING NUMBER
OF%-REAL
ESTATE
PROFESSIONALS,
%-INVESTORS,
HOMEOWNERS,
AND
%-ANYONE WHO WANTS TO
CHANGE
THE
%-NARROW AT
THIS,
CONTRIBUTIONS
%-AND
PROCEEDS
FROM
HOME
SALES
%-DRIVE OWN
IT.
%- >> WE GET A LOT
OF
CONTRIBUTIONS
%-WITHIN
THE REAL
ESTATE INDUSTRY
%-AND
WITHIN
THE
COMMUNITY
AND%-WE'VE
HAD
SELLERS
WHO, AT THE
%-TIME
OF
CLOSING,
WRITE
A
CHECK.
%-SOMETIMES IT'S A THOUSAND
%-DOLLARS.
%- >> MEET JODIE POPE AND
HER
SON,
%-CAMERON.
%- >> WE
KNEW
NOTHING
AS
CHILDREN,
%-REALLY, ABOUT
HOMEOWNERSHIP.%- >> WHEN YOU PUT YOUR
FINGERS
ON
%-THERE, WHAT DOES IT
DO?
%- >> SINCE OWN
IT
TOOK
LAUNCH
IN
%-2020, THE
SINGLE
MOM
IS ONE
OF
%-10 FAMILIES IN
THE
MADISON
AREA
%-WHO NOW
PROUDLY
OWNS
AND
NO
%-LONGER
RENTS BECAUSE OF THE
%-PROGRAM.
%- >> HOMEOWNERSHIP IS
SIGNIFICANT.%-IT
WAS
AN
EMOTIONAL
PROCESS
%-BECAUSE
I
ALMOST
DIDN'T
GET
THE
%-KEYS.%- >> THIS
WAS
MY SEVENTH
OFFER.
%- >> WE MODE
WITH
HER
DAYS AWAY%-FROM
THE
ONE-YEAR
ANNIVERSARY OF%-THE
MOVE-IN.
%- >> IT'S
OURS.
%-IT GIVES
YOU A
SENSE
OF
PRIDE,%-OF
OWNERSHIP.
%-I'VE KIND OF
LEANED
INTO
MY
%-PROJECTS AND I'VE
HUNG
DRYWALL,
%-I'VE
PAINTED.
%-MY SON AND I
ARE
SOCIAL AND I
%-LOVE TO BE
ABLE
TO
HOST
PEOPLE
%-OVER
HERE.%-NO
ONE
CAN TELL YOU
TO
LEAVE.%-NO ONE
CAN TELL
YOU WHAT YOU CAN
%-DO.%-YOU CAN
PAINT
THE
WALL.%-YOU
CAN
PUT STEPH
CURRY
STICKERS
%-ALL OVER
THE
WALL AND ON THE
%-CEILING
FAN.
%- >> HIS
MOM
SAYS
GRADUALLY
%-CAMERON IS
GETTING
MORE
%-COMFORTABLE
IN
THEIR
NEW
%-COMMUNITY.%- >> MY SON CAN
WALK
TO
SCHOOL.
%-HE
NEVER HAS
HAD
THE
%-NEIGHBORHOOD
EXPERIENCE
OF
%-HAVING FRIENDS
THAT
LIVE
TWO
AND
%-THREE DOORS
DOWN.
%-BEING ABLE
TO
PROVIDE
THAT
%-STABILITY, TO GO TO
THE
SAME
%-SCHOOL
FOR
YOUR
ENTIRE
LIFE,
%-FROM
HERE
OUT,
RIGHT,
THAT
TYPE
%-OF
STABILITY
TO
FORM
THOSE
%-RELATIONSHIPS WITH
FRIENDSHIPS,
%-WITH
TEACHERS,
WITHIN
THE SCHOOL
%-DISTRICT
IS
KEY.
%- >> JODI
SAYS MOST
IMPORTANTLY,
%-HER
SON
IS
LEARNING
ABOUT
WEALTH
%-AND
HOMEOWNERSHIP.%- >> TO TEACH
HIM
HOW
TO
PUT A
NEW
%-HANDLE ON
A
TOILET,
WHICH
I'VE
%-DONE, HOW
TO
UNCLOG
A
GARBAGE
%-DISPOSAL.
%-OUR HOUSING
PRICES,
RENTAL
%-PRICES, IT
LEAVES
US
OUT.
%-WE
NEED TO
DO
THIS.
%- >> THE
NAME
ON
IT
REPRESENTS --
%-OWN IT
REPRESENTS THE
PAINFUL
%-PAST.
%- >> OWNING THE HISTORY OF
WHAT
%-HAS
HAPPENED IN
THE REAL
ESTATE
%-INDUSTRY.%- >> WHILE SUPPORTING THE
%-PROMISING
FUTURE.%- >> IT IS
LITERALLY ME
OWNING%-THIS
PLACE.
%- >> REPORTING
FOR "HERE &
NOW,"
%-I'M
MURV
SEYMORE.
%- >> NEXT
WEEK ON
WISCONSIN
IN%-BLACK AND
WHITE,
A
LOOK
AT
%-HEALTH
DIVIDES
IN
WISCONSIN.
%-FOR
MORE ON
THIS AND
OTHER
%-ISSUES FACING
WISCONSIN,
VISIT
%-OUR
WEBSITE
AT PBS
WISCONSIN
%-DOT-ORG AND
THEN
CLICK ON
THE
%-NEWS
TAB.
%-THAT'S OUR
PROGRAM
FOR
TONIGHT.
%-I'M FREDERICA
FREYBERG.%-HAVE
A
GOOD
WEEKEND.
%-(CLOSED
CAPTIONING
BY
RIVERSIDE
%-CAPTIONING IT)
.%-♪
%- >> FUNDING FOR "HERE & NOW" IS%-PROVIDED BY THE FOCUS FUND FOR%-JOURNALISM AND FRIENDS OF PBS%-WISCONSIN.