%- THIS IS A TEST.
%- TEST.
%- WPT, TEST.
%- >>
WELCOME TO
"NOON WEDNESDAY," %- I'M
MARISA
WOJCIK,
MULTI-MEDIA
%- JOURNALIST WITH
HERE
AND
NOW
ON
%- PBS
WISCONSIN.%- TODAY
IS
JANUARY
13TH.
%- A
WEEK
AGO
TODAY ON
JANUARY 6TH,
%- PRO
TRUMP
EXTREMISTS
STORMED THE
%- UNITED STATES
CAPITOL
WHILE
THEY
%- COUNTED THE
ELECTORAL
COLLEGE
%- VOTES.%-A LOT OF
ANALYSIS ABOUT
THE %- EVENTS
LEADING
UP
TO AND
DURING %- THE
DAY.
%- WHAT'S
MORE,
SIMILAR
ACTS
ARE
%- EXPECTED
ACROSS
COUNTRY
LEADING
%- UP
TO
THE
INAUGURATION OF
%- PRESIDENT-ELECT
JOE BIDEN.
%- TODAY
CONGRESS IS
DEBATING
AN
%- IMPEACHMENT
RIGHT
NOW
IN
THE
%- HOUSE.
%- JOINING US
TO
INTERPRET WHAT
ALL
%- OF
THIS MEANS
IN
WISCONSIN IS
%- KATY
CULVER,
DIRECTOR OF THE
%- CENTER OF
JOURNALISM
ETHICS
AND
%- ASSOCIATE
PROFESSOR
AT
%- U.W.-MADISON
SCHOOL OF
%- JOURNALISM AND
MASS
%- COMMUNICATION AND WE WANT
TO
%- THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
%- I WANT
TO START
BY
ASKING, THERE%- IS SO
MUCH
INFORMATION AND
%- DISINFORMATION
AROUND
THE
EVENTS%- OF
LAST
WEEK.
%- AND
AS
WE SAID
LEADING UP
TO.
%- HOW
SHOULD
PEOPLE
BE
FILTERING %- OUT
WHAT
THEY ARE
SEEING
AND
%- HEARING
IN
NEWS
MEDIA
AND
SOCIAL
%- MEDIA?
%- >>
IT'S
A
FANTASTIC
QUESTION,
%- AND THANK YOU
SO
MUCH
FOR
HAVING
%- ME
HERE.%- SUCH
AN
IMPORTANT
TIME
FOR
ALL
%- OF
US
CITIZENS
TO BE
THINKING
%- ABOUT
WHAT
WE CAN
BELIEVE
AND
%- WHAT
WE
CAN'T
BELIEVE.
%- MY BEST
ADVICE TO
PEOPLE
AS
WE
%- THINK ABOUT
THAT
FILTERING
IS
TO
%- FILTER
OUT
THOSE
THINGS THAT
%- MAKE
YOU
FEEL
REALLY
EMOTIONAL %- IN THE
MOMENT.
%- IT'S
-- NOW
IS
ARGUABLY THE MOST
%- IMPORTANT
TIME IN
MY
LIFETIME
%- FOR
ALL
OF
US
TO BE
THINKING
%- ABOUT
VETTED,
VERIFIED
%- INFORMATION RATHER THAN THE %-THINGS
THAT
INFLAME
US.
%- WE
SAW
LAST WEEK
THE
DIRECT %- RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
%- MIS
AND
DISINFORMATION
INFLAME
%- EMOTIONS AND
IT WAS A
DANGEROUS
%- SITUATION.%->> ON
MONDAY
THIS WEEK WE
SAW
%- WISCONSIN'S CAPITOL
BUILDING
%- BOARDED
UP,
THE
NATIONAL GUARD
%- MOBILIZED BY THE
GOVERNOR.
%- LOCAL, STATE AND
FEDERAL LAW %- ENFORCEMENT ARE ON
ALERT
ACROSS %- THE
COUNTRY
FOR
FURTHER
VIOLENCE
%- AT
STATEHOUSES AND GOVERNMENT
%- BUILDINGS.%-SHOULD WE
BE
MENTALLY
PREPARING %- FOR
SOME
SORT OF
VIOLENCE
%- LOCALLY?
%- >>
I THINK
WE
ABSOLUTELY
HAVE
TO%- BE
PREPARING
AND
IN
THE
EVENT
%- THAT WE
PREPARE
AND
NOTHING
%- COMES TO
PASS,
THAT'S JUST
FINE.
%- YOU
KNOW,
WE HAVE
--
WE HAVE
%- TAKEN
ACTION
IN
RESPONSE TO
SOME
%- PRETTY
CLEAR
WARNING SIGNALS
AND
%- YOU
KNOW,
I
WILL BE
GRATEFUL
IF
%- WE SEE
NO
VIOLENCE BUT
WE
CANNOT
%- BURY OUR
HEADS
IN
THE
SAND.
%- I THINK A
LOT
OF
US,
MYSELF
%- INCLUDED, DID
NOT
TAKE
SERIOUSLY%- ENOUGH
WHAT HAPPENED
IN
MICHIGAN
%- IN
THE
FALL
WITH
DIRECT
THREATS
%- AGAINST THE
GOVERNOR AND
%- CRIMINAL PLOTS
TO
KIDNAP
AND
%- POSSIBLY
ASSASSINATE THE
%- GOVERNOR.%-IT
SEEMED AT THE TIME
SURREAL
%- AND
YOU
KNOW,
ALMOST,
YOU
KNOW,
%- JUST
LIKE AN
ODD
BALL,
RAG-TAG
%- BAND OF PEOPLE
BUT
I THINK
IT %- WAS
A
REALLY
IMPORTANT SIGNAL %- THAT
A
LOT
OF
US
MISSED.
%- AND
SO LET'S
NOT
MAKE
THAT
%- MISTAKE
AGAIN.
%- HAD WE
BEEN
MORE
SORT
OF
UP
IN
%- ARMS ABOUT
THE
CALLS
TO
ARMS
IN
%- MICHIGAN, WE MIGHT
HAVE BEEN
%- BETTER
PREPARED
LAST
WEDNESDAY
%- AND SO
I THINK
NOW
GIVEN
WHAT WE
%- SAW LAST WEDNESDAY WE HAVE TO BE
%- PREPARED
THIS
WEEKEND
AND
%- HEADING INTO
THE
INAUGURATION %- AND TO BE
HONEST,
BEYOND.
%- >>
IS
THERE
ANY
RISK
OF
%- UNNECESSARY
PANIC,
THOUGH, AND
%- PUBLIC
ANXIETY?
%- >>
SURE, I THINK ALL
OF
US
DO
%- FEEL
SCARED.
%- I
MEAN,
YOU
COULDN'T
--
I
DON'T
%- CARE
WHAT YOUR
IDEOLOGY
IS, YOU %- COULD
NOT
LOOK
AT
WHAT HAPPENED
%- LAST
WEDNESDAY AND
NOT
FEEL
SOME
%- SENSE OF
FEAR.%- THAT
SEEMED TO GO
ACROSS THE
%- POLITICAL
SPECTRUM.
%- SO, I'M
NOT
ARGUING
THAT
WE
%- SHOULD, YOU
KNOW,
INFLAME
PEOPLE
%- OR
IGNITE THEIR
PASSIONS OR
%- ANYTHING
LIKE
THAT.
%- I'M SAYING THAT WE
SHOULD
ALL
%- LISTEN TO
THE
SIGNALS
THAT
WE %- ARE RECEIVING AND PREPARE FOR %-THEM
APPROPRIATELY.%- YOU KNOW,
WE
DO
THIS
ALL
THE
%- TIME IN
OUR
PERSONAL
LIVES.
%- TAKE YOUR
HEALTH,
YOU
GET
ALL
%- SORTS
OF
SIGNALS ABOUT
YOUR %- HEALTH
AND
YOU
TAKE
PREPARATION,
%- OR
YOU
MAKE
PREPARATIONS IN
%- RESPONSE.
%- THE
SAME
THING
WHEN IT
COMES
TO
%- OUR
DEMOCRATIC
INSTITUTIONS
AND
%- HOW WE CAN
RESPOND
TO
MOMENTS
OF
%- DIVISIVENESS LIKE
THIS.
%- >>
OUR
COLLEAGUES AT
WISCONSIN
%- PUBLIC
RADIO
REPORTED
TODAY
THAT
%- THEY
ANALYZED
THE
COUNTY
%- REPUBLICAN
Facebook
PAGES
AND
%- SAW
INFLAMMATORY
RHETORIC,
%- INCLUDING
"PREPARE FOR
WAR"
AND
%- "PLAN
FOR
TEMPORARY
VIOLENCE."%- WHERE
IS
THE
LINE
OF
%- RESPONSIBILITY?
%- >>
YOU
KNOW,
I THINK
THAT %- CLEARLY
CROSSES
THE
LINE
OF
%- RESPONSIBILITY, THAT REPORTING
%- WAS
BREATHTAKING
WHEN I SAW
IT.
%- AND
I THINK
WE
HAVE
REALLY
%- ABANDONED
A
CALL
FOR
A
BROADER
%- SENSE OF
ETHICS
IN
PUBLIC
%- COMMUNICATION.
%- I
RUN
THE
CENTER
FOR
JOURNALISM
%- ETHICS, A LOT OF DISCUSSION
OF
%- JOURNALISM
ETHICS
AND ACT
OUT OF
%- EGO RATHER THAN THE
PUBLIC
%- INTEREST.%-THOSE CONVERSATIONS
NEED
TO BE
%- MUCH MORE BROAD AS
WE
ALL
HAVE
%- ACCESS
TO THE
MEANS
TO
PUBLISH,
%- WHETHER IT'S THROUGH A
Facebook
%- PAGE
OR A
TWEET,
ALONG
WITH
THE
%- TREMENDOUS
POWER OF
PUBLICATION
%- COMES TREMENDOUS
RESPONSIBILITY.%- AND
I THINK WE HAVE NOT
HAD
THE
%- SORT
OF, YOU
KNOW,
MORAL
%- CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT
WHAT
IT
%- MEANS
TO
INFLAME
PEOPLE TO
SAY,
%- YOU
KNOW,
PREPARE
FOR
WAR.
%- THAT
IS
AN
INCREDIBLY IN
--
%- INFLAMMATORY
STATEMENT.%- >> GLEN
GROSSMAN
LAST WEEK
SAID
%- THAT
OF
THE
10
OF
THOUSANDS
OF
%- PEOPLE
AT THIS
RALLY
SAYING
%- "SOME OF
THEM
VERY
WONDERFUL
%- PEOPLE FROM
WISCONSIN."
%- DOES THIS
HAVE
ECHOS
TO
WHAT
%- PRESIDENT TRUMP
SAID IN
2017
%- AROUND THE
CHARLOTTESVILLE
%- PROTESTS
WHERE
HE SAID
THERE %- WERE
VERY
FINE
PEOPLE ON
BOTH
%- SIDES.%-SHOULD THERE
BE
ANY
SORT
OF
%- ACKNOWLEDGMENT
THAT
NOT
EVERYONE%- IS
VIOLENT OR IS
THIS
GOING
A %- LITTLE TOO
FAR?
%- >>
I'M
SURE
ALMOST
EVERYBODY
%- HEARD
ECHOS
OF
THE
%- CHARLOTTESVILLE
STATEMENT IN
%- WHAT
GLEN
GROSSMAN
SAID.
%- AS WE
CONSIDER
HOW
WE WANT
OUR
%- POLITICIANS AND
CIVIC
LEADERS
TO%- BE
SPEAKING
PUBLICLY,
THEY HAVE
%- A
RESPONSIBILITY TO
ALL
OF
US
%- RATHER THAN TRYING
TO
PRESERVE
A
%- BASE
THAT WILL
CONTINUE TO
VOTE
%- THEM INTO
OFFICE.
%- AND
WE HAVE
LARGELY LOST
SIGHT %- OF
THAT.
%- WE
NEED
TO RETURN
TO
THAT.
%- YOU
KNOW, THOSE
WERE
NOT VERY
%- FINE
PEOPLE.
%- WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE CAPITOL
WAS
%- NOT
A
MISTAKE
OF
THINKING
THAT %- YOU COULD COME
IN
AND
ON
THIS
%- DAY
GET
IT.
%- WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT
USING,
YOU
%- KNOW,
BATONS
AND
FLAG
POLES
AND
%- FIRE
EXTINGUISHERS AND BEAR %- SPRAY
TO
BUST
THROUGH
POLICE
%- BARRICADES,
ATTACK
POLICE
%- OFFICERS, I
JUST
DON'T
THINK %- IT'S
THE TIME
TO SAY
THESE
ARE
%- VERY GOOD
PEOPLE.
%- NOW,
THERE ARE
PLENTY
OF
VERY %- GOOD
PEOPLE
IN
WISCONSIN
WHO
%- SUPPORT
PRESIDENT TRUMP
WHO
FEEL
%- AGRIEVED,
WHO
HAVE
QUESTIONS %- ABOUT THE
ELECTION.
%- THE PROBLEM
FOR
ME
IS THAT
THOSE
%- QUESTIONS IN THEIR
MIND
HAVE %- BEEN STOKED
BY
THE
PRESIDENT AND
%- HIS
ALLIES.%- YOU
KNOW,
THEY HAVE
BEEN LIED
TO
%- AND
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE
DOUBT.
%- AND SO WE
NEED
TO
RETURN TO THE
%- DOUBT
THAT THE
CIVIC
LEADERS
%- HAVE A
RESPONSIBILITY
TO
THE
%- TRUTH,
AND THE
TRUTH
HERE
IS %- THAT
PRESIDENT-ELECT JOE BIDEN
%- WON
THIS
ELECTION,
NOT
BY
A
%- SMALL
MARGIN.
%- SO,
WHEN YOU
CONTINUE
TO
STOKE
%- LIES
IN THE
PUBLIC'S MIND
AND
%- THEN
EXCUSE
THEIR
BEHAVIOR
IN
%- RESPONSE TO THOSE
LIES,
YOU
%- REALLY NEED
TO HOLD
YOURSELF
%- ACCOUNTABLE, AND WE
NEED
TO
HOLD
%- THOSE
CIVIC
LEADERS
ACCOUNTABLE
%- FOR
WHAT THEY HAVE
SAID.
%- >> JUST
YESTERDAY
A
WISCONSIN
%- MAN
WAS
ARRESTED
IN
EAU CLAIRE.
%- HE
POSTED ON
SOCIAL MEDIA
%- HIMSELF
THAT
HE HAD BEEN
INSIDE %- THE
U.S.
CAPITOL
LAST
WEEK,
WAS
%- EVEN
POSTING HE
KNEW
THE
FBI
WAS
%- LOOKING FOR
HIM.
%- ADDITIONALLY, A
TEACHER FROM
%- BURLINGTON
HAS BEEN
SUSPENDED
%- WHILE THE
DISTRICT
IS
%- INVESTIGATING HIS
ATTENDANCE.%- HOW
SHOULD
WE
VIEW
OUR
%- NEIGHBORS,
TEACHERS,
LAW
%- ENFORCEMENT, ANY MEMBERS OF THE %-COMMUNITY THAT WE
KNOW
OR
THINK
%- ATTENDED THIS
RALLY?
%- >> I THINK YOU ARE
GOING
TO
SEE %- A LOT
OF
CONSEQUENCES
PLAYING
%- OUT
FROM
THIS.
%- YOU
KNOW,
WE ARE
ALREADY
SEEING
%- PEOPLE
LOSING
THEIR
JOBS
IN
%- RESPONSE
TO
BEING
IDENTIFIED, %- AND YOU
KNOW,
THOSE
ARE
%- INDIVIDUAL
DECISIONS,
YOU
KNOW,
%- WHETHER
A
PUBLIC
SCHOOL
EMPLOYEE
%- HAS THE
RIGHT
TO
PROTEST
VERSUS %- BREACH
THE
CAPITOL,
THOSE ARE
%- DIFFERENT
QUESTIONS.
%- SO
I THINK
ONE
OF THE
PROBLEMS %- THAT
WE HAVE
RIGHT
NOW
IS THAT
%- WE ARE NOT
USING
SPECIFIC
ENOUGH
%- LANGUAGE.%-THERE'S A LOT
OF
TALK
ABOUT, YOU
%- KNOW, THIS
WAS
A FIRST
AMENDMENT
%- PROTEST,
FOR INSTANCE,
INITIALLY%- THE WAY
THAT
IT WAS
FRAMED
BY
%- THE
CAPITOL
POLICE
LEADERSHIP.
%- IT WAS NOT A FIRST
AMENDMENT
%- PROTEST.%-IT'S
NOT
WHAT
IT
WAS,
IT'S NOT
%- WHAT IT WAS ABOUT
AT
ALL.
%- IT WAS
ABOUT
ACTION, IT WAS
NOT
%- ABOUT
SPEECH.%- AND
SO
YOU,
I THINK YOU ARE %- GOING
TO
SEE
MORE
SERIOUS
%- CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE
IT WAS
NOT
%- ABOUT
SPEECH.
%- AND
TO
GET
TO YOUR
QUESTION HOW
%- SHOULD WE BE
DEALING
WITH
OUR
%- FRIENDS AND
NEIGHBORS, ONE
OF %- THE THINGS I'M
ADVISING
PEOPLE,
%- TO
GET
BACK
TO
A
SENSE
OF
MUTUAL
%- RESPECT.
%- THAT
EVEN
IF
I
DISAGREE WITH YOU
%- POLITICALLY,
YOU
AND
I
HAVE
THE
%- SAME
POWER IN
THE
SYSTEM.
%- WE ARE
BOTH
CITIZENS,
WE
BOTH
%- GET TO
ENJOY OUR
RIGHT
TO
VOTE,
%- WE BOTH
GET
TO
ENJOY
OUR
RIGHTS %- TO FREE
EXPRESSION.%- WHAT
I WOULD CALL ON
ALL
OF
US
%- IS TO
GET
BACK
TO
THE,
TO THAT %- SENSE OF
MUTUAL
DECENCY.
%- JUST BECAUSE I
DISAGREE WITH YOU
%- DOES
NOT
MAKE
YOU
LESSER THAN
%- ME.
%- THAT'S
REALLY
WHAT
UNDERPINS
OUR
%- SYSTEM
OF
FREE
EXPRESSION IN
%- THIS
COUNTRY,
THE
NOTION OF
A
%- MARKETPLACE OF
IDEAS
IS THAT
WE
%- DON'T
HAVE
THIS
HYPERPARTISAN
%- DIVISIVE DISDAIN
FOR
EACH
OTHER,
%- THAT WE ARE
ENGAGING ON
IDEAS
%- RATHER THAN
THINKING
OF
EACH %- OTHER
AS
LESS
THAN.%- >>
YOU
MENTIONED
FREEDOM
OF
%- SPEECH
AND
THAT'S WHAT
SOME ARE
%- SAYING
IS
BEING
STOMPED
ON
RIGHT
%- NOW.
%- MANY OF
THESE GROUPS
ARE
BEING
%- DEPLATFORMED
IN
MAINSTREAM
%- SOCIAL MEDIA GROUPS AS WELL AS
%- SOME,
A
COUPLE
LAYERS
DEEPER ON
%- THE
INTERNET.
%- ARE
THERE
ANY
FREEDOM
OF
SPEECH
%- IMPLICATIONS
AS
WE
GO
FORWARD?
%- >>
YEAH,
I THINK
--
WE
CONTINUE %- TO HAVE
SO MANY
PEOPLE
CONFUSING%- THE
ISSUE
OF WHAT
IS
A
FIRST
%- AMENDMENT CASE
AND
WHAT
IS
NOT.
%- SO, I HAVE NO
FIRST
AMENDMENT %- RIGHTS WHEN
IT
COMES TO
TWITTER.
%- TWITTER
IS
POWERFUL,
WE COULD
%- HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT
HOW THE
%- PLATFORM OUGHT
TO
PERHAPS
BE
%- REGULATED TO
USE
THAT POWER
%- RESPONSIBLY, BUT
THERE
IS
NO
%- CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE
AT
ALL.
%- MY
FIRST
AMENDMENT
RIGHTS
BEGIN %- AND
END
WITH
GOVERNMENT
ACTION.
%- SO
IF
TONY
EVERS
TRIES
TO
%- SUPPRESS MY
SPEECH, I'VE
GOT
A
%- FIRST AMENDMENT
PROBLEM.
%- Facebook DOES
IT,
I
JUST
DON'T.
%- AND SO
I THINK
WE
ALL
NEED
TO %- UNDERSTAND THAT THE
PROTECTION
%- OF
FREEDOM
OF
EXPRESSION
IS
%- PROTECTION
FROM
GOVERNMENT.
%- IT'S
NOT
PROTECTION
FROM
BIG
%- CORPORATE
PLAYERS.
%- NOW,
Facebook AND
TWITTER
AND
%- OTHERS,
YOUTUBE,
HAVE
LONG
%- EMBRACED THE
CONCEPT OF
FREE
%- EXPRESSION,
SO
NOT,
YOU
KNOW, I %- HAVE NO
FIRST
AMENDMENT RIGHTS %- WITH THEM BUT
THEY WANT THEIR
%- PLATFORMS TO
LARGELY
BE
PLACES %- WHERE
PEOPLE
CAN
EXPRESS
%- THEMSELVES.%-BUT THE
SECOND THING
I
REALLY
%- WANT
ALL
OF
US
TO
KEEP
OUR
EYES
%- ON IS THAT
OUR
SYSTEM OF
FREEDOM
%- OF
EXPRESSION
IN
THE
UNITED %- STATES HAS
NEVER
BEEN
ONE
THAT %- WAS FREE FROM
CONSEQUENCES
FOR
%- WHAT
YOU'VE
SAID.
%- SO I HAVE
THE
RIGHT
TO GO
AND
%- PROTEST.
%- I HAVE
THE
RIGHT
TO CREATE
A
%- LEAFLET
AND PASS
IT
ON
STATE
%- STREET
IN
MADISON.
%- WELL WITHIN
MY
RIGHTS
TO GO
DO
%- THAT.%-BUT
IF I
LIBEL
YOU,
IF
I
DEFAME %- OR
HURT
YOUR
REPUTATION
YOU HAVE
%- EVERY RIGHT TO
SUE
ME.%- THERE ARE
CONSEQUENCES THAT %- FOLLOW
MY
EXPRESSION, AND
SOME %- OF WHAT
WE ARE HEARING
NOW
FROM,
%- YOU
KNOW,
PARLER,
FOR
INSTANCE,
%- OR
SOME
THREATS
ON
REDIT,
IS %- THAT
FREE
EXPRESSION
MEANS
%- FREEDOM
FROM
CONSEQUENCES.%- THAT'S NEVER BEEN
WHAT
OUR
%- SYSTEM IS
ABOUT.
%- MANY, MANY
PEOPLE
PAY
PRICES FOR
%- EXPRESSING
THEMSELVES, WHETHER %- THAT'S
INCITEMENT
TO
VIOLENCE,
%- DEFAMING SOMEONE,
ENGAGING IN
%- OBSCENITY,
FOR
INSTANCE.
%- THE
IDEA
THAT MY
EXPRESSION
%- SHOULD BE COMPLETELY
UNTETHERED
%- FROM
ANY
CONSEQUENCE HAS NEVER
%- BEEN WHAT
OUR
SYSTEM
IS
ABOUT,
%- AND
HONESTLY OUR
SYSTEM
CANNOT
%- FUNCTION IF WE HAVE
EXPRESSION %- FREE FROM
THOSE
CONSEQUENCES.
%- >>
AND
TAKING
THAT
A
STEP
%- FURTHER, YOU
SAY
INCITEMENT
OF
%- VIOLENCE, SO THERE
IS
A %- DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN
PEACEFULLY
%- ASSEMBLING
VERSUS
WHAT HAPPENED
%- LAST
WEEK.
%- >>
RIGHT.
%- AND
THAT'S WHERE THE BIG
%- QUESTIONS
WE
HAVE
ARE
WHEN
%- EXPRESSION
CROSSES OVER
INTO
%- ACTION.
%- AND IT IS A VERY
--
IT'S
VERY
%- DIFFICULT TO
PROVE
INCITEMENT
%- CASE.
%- BAR
IS
SET
HIGH
FOR WHAT
IS
AND
%- IS NOT
INCITEMENT.
%- FIRST AMENDMENT
HISTORY
IS
%- LITTERED WITH
PEOPLE
WHO
HAVE
%- DONE AND
SAID
AWFUL
THINGS
BUT
%- VERY
PROTECTIVE OF
THEIR
%- EXPRESSION.%-BUT WHEN
SPEECH
CROSSES OVER
%- INTO ACTION
THAT
IS
WHERE %- GOVERNMENT CAN
IMPOSE MUCH MORE
%- SERIOUS
CONSEQUENCES,
AND
YOU
%- WILL
SEE THAT IN
THE
MANY,
%- MANY
CASES
THAT WILL BE
ARISING
%- FROM
LAST
WEEK'S
INSURRECTION.
%- >>
AND
ALONG WITH
IT
THERE
HAVE %- BEEN
MANY
PARALLELS TO
FREE
%- SPEECH
DRAWN
AROUND
ASSEMBLING %- AND
VIOLENCE
AND
COMPARING %- POLICE
RESPONSE TO
THE
BLACK
%- LIVES
MATTER
PROTESTS
THIS
%- SUMMER,
WHICH
WISCONSIN
SAW
A
%- NUMBER
OF.
%- SHOULD
THESE
VERY
DIFFERENT
%- GROUPS BE
COMPARED
OR IS THAT
A
%- FALSE
EQUIVALENCY?
%- >>
YOU
KNOW, I THINK
--
SO,
WITH
%- BLACK LIVES
MATTER,
SUCH A
MORE
%- SUSTAINED
PRESENCE
AND
PROTESTS
%- ACROSS
THE
COUNTRY,
HUNDREDS
OF
%- JURISDICTIONS SAW
THESE
%- PROTESTS.%-AND I THINK YOU
SAW
MANY
PEOPLE,
%- SOME
NEWS
MEDIA,
TRYING TO DRAW %- A LINE
BETWEEN
PEACEFUL
PROTEST
%- AND
VIOLENCE.
%- LOOTING,
SETTING OF
FIRES,
THAT
%- SORT OF
THING.
%- I THINK
IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
%- THAT
WE
DO
THAT.
%- SO,
LAST WEEK THERE WERE
%- PEACEFUL
PROTESTORS
MARCHING UP
%- AND DOWN
STREETS
IN
THE
CAPITAL
%- THAT
DID
NOT
BREACH
THE
U.S.
%- CAPITOL.
%- IT'S IMPORTANT
TO REMEMBER THOSE
%- PEOPLE AND
PROTECT THEIR
%- EXPRESSION
RIGHTS.
%- YOU MAY
DISAGREE WITH
WHAT THEY %- HAD
TO
SAY,
YOU
KNOW,
I
DID,
I
%- DID
NOT,
DO
NOT
BELIEVE
THE
%- ELECTION WAS
STOLEN.
%- BUT THEY
HAVE
THE
RIGHT
TO SAY
%- IT
AND
THEY
DID
SO
PEACEFULLY.
%- I THINK THE
PLACE
--
I AM
%- WORRIED ABOUT A FALSE EE KWIF
--
%- EQUIVALENCY,
SETTING A
FIRE
IN
A
%- DUMPSTER IN
KENOSHA,
WISCONSIN %- AND
BREACHING
THE
U.S.
CAPITOL
%- WITH
SOME
--
SOME
WEAPONS.
%- THERE'S
A DIFFERENCE
THERE.
%- BUT I THINK THE
PLACE
THAT
WE
%- SHOULD
LOOK
AT
THESE
TWO
%- SEPARATE
SETS OF
PROTESTS
%- ALIGNED
IS
OUR
RESPONSE
TO
THEM.
%- FRANKLY, I WAS
ABSOLUTELY
--
%- PEOPLE
WERE
WALKING OUT
OF THE
%- CAPITOL LAST WEEK AFTER
RIOTING
%- AND THEY WERE
NOT
ARRESTED.
%- YOU
KNOW,
WE ARE NOW
GOING
TO
%- EAU
CLAIRE,
WISCONSIN
AND
%- ARRESTING
SOMEONE.
%- WHY
THOSE
PEOPLE
WERE
NOT
%- ARRESTED IN THE
MOMENT
IS
PRETTY
%- STUNNING TO THINK
ABOUT.
%- AND
IT'S
A
QUESTION THAT
WE
%- SHOULD
ASK,
BECAUSE CLEARLY
OVER
%- THE
SUMMER YOU
SAW
MANY,
%- MANY
ARRESTS
IN
THE
MOMENT,
AND %- IF
WE ARE
--
THERE IS
SOME
%- ACADEMIC
RESEARCH SHOWING
WE
DO
%- TEND
TO
HAVE
MORE
ARRESTS
FOR
%- CAUSES
ON
THE
LEFT
THAN THE
%- RIGHT
WHEN WE HAVE
PROTESTS.
%- THAT IS
A
PLACE
WE
DON'T WANT
TO
%- MAKE THE
TWO
EQUIVALENT BUT
WE
%- NEED
TO
THINK
ABOUT
HOW
WE ARE
%- RESPONDING
TO
DIFFERENT
CAUSES
%- AND WHETHER
THINGS LIKE
RACE
%- PLAY
INTO
THAT.
%- >>
AND
LAST WEEK THERE WERE MANY
%- IMAGES,
SYMBOLS,
MESSAGES OF
%- WHITE
SUPREMACY
FROM
THOSE
%- INSIDE AND
OUTSIDE THE
CAPITOL.
%- SHOULD
WE
REDUCE
THIS
TO
JUST
AN
%- EXTREME MINORITY THAT
HAD
THOSE
%- IMAGES
WITH
THEM,
OR
SHOULD
WE
%- BE
UNDERSTANDING
BIGGER
IDEOLOGY
%- OF
WHITE
SUPREMACY
WOVEN
INTO
%- SOME OF WHAT WAS
HAPPENING
LAST
%- WEEK?
%- >>
I THINK
WE ABSOLUTELY
HAVE
TO
%- LOOK
AT
IT
AS
A
LARGER
ISSUE, %- AND LOOK
AT
WHERE
THAT KIND
OF
%- THINKING EXISTS IN OUR LOCAL
%- COMMUNITIES.
%- YOU COULD
SAY
OH,
BOY,
SOMEONE
%- BROUGHT A
CONFEDERATE
FLAG
INTO
%- THIS
PROTEST AND
USING
THE
FLAG
%- POLE
TO
CAUSE
DAMAGE,
STRIKING
%- SYMBOL TO
SEE
THE
CONFEDERATE
%- FLAG IN
A
BREACHED
U.S.
CAPITOL.
%- BUT
ALL
OF
THOSE
PEOPLE
CAME
TO
%- D.C.
FROM
OUR
LOCAL
COMMUNITIES.
%- SO THEY CAME
FROM
WASHINGTON,
%- THEY CAME
FROM
OREGON, THEY
CAME
%- FROM
ARIZONA, THEY
CAME
FROM
%- WISCONSIN.
%- AND WE
NEED
TO
THINK
ABOUT
AND
%- REALLY
DEEPLY,
DEEPLY
%- INTERROGATE
HOW
WHITE
SUPREMACY
%- EXISTS
WITHIN
OUR
COMMUNITY
%- INSTITUTIONS, OUR COMMUNITY
%- STRUCTURES.
%- SO, HOW
DOES
THIS PLAY
OUT
IN
%- OUR
POLICE
FORCES,
IN
OUR
FIRE %- DEPARTMENTS, IN
OUR
PUBLIC
%- EDUCATION SYSTEMS.
%- WHAT DOES IT
MEAN
WITHIN
OUR
%- COMMUNITIES?
%- I
FRANKLY OVER
THE LAST
FIVE %- YEARS HAVE
BEEN
VERY
SURPRISED
%- AND I
GUESS
CRITIQUE
IS VERY
%- NAIVE, BUT
SURPRISED
AT THE
%- PERVASIVENESS OF
THIS KIND
OF
%- THINKING
THAT,
YOU
KNOW,
WHEN
I
%- BEGAN
STUDYING FREE
EXPRESSION
I
%- FELT MUCH
MORE
PERVASIVE IN THE
%- 1980S AND
1990S.
%- I
DID NOT
THINK
IT
EXISTED TO
%- THE
LEVEL THAT
IT
DOES
CLEARLY
%- EXIST
TODAY,
AND
THAT'S
%- SOMETHING WE ALL HAVE TO
LOOK
%- AT.
%- >>
WISCONSIN'S
ELECTIONS
RESULTS
%- WERE
CHALLENGED
REPEATEDLY AND
%- UPHELD IN
THE
COURTS, YET
SOME %- OF
WISCONSIN'S
DELEGATION
%- REPEATED
DEBUNKED
CLAIMS OF
%- VOTER
FRAUD,
INCLUDING
SENATOR
%- RON
JOHNSON,
WHO
WAS
CALLING
FOR
%- FURTHER
INVESTIGATION
LEADING
%- INTO
LAST
WEEK.
%- AT THIS
POINT,
HOW
DO
WE
RESTORE
%- FAITH
IN
OUR
ELECTORAL
PROCESS?
%- >>
WE
HAVE
TO
RESTORE
FAITH
BY
%- HOLDING THOSE
CIVIC
LEADERS
%- ACCOUNTABLE.%-YOU
KNOW,
I THINK
--
I THINK
%- THESE
CALLS
FOR
UNITY
AND
A
TIME%- OF
HEALING
ARE
NEVER
GOING TO GO
%- FORWARD
UNLESS WE HAVE
TRUTH AND
%- ACCOUNTABILITY.
%- IF YOU
LOOK AT
SUCCESSFUL
%- RECONCILIATION
EFFORTS,
LIKE
%- POST
APARTHEID, THEY
DID NOT
%- COME WITHOUT TRUTH
AND
%- ACCOUNTABILITY
FIRST.
%- I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HEAL
IF
%- WE CANNOT ALL
GET
BACK
TO THE
%- TRUTH.
%- THE TRUTH
IN
WISCONSIN
IS
THAT %- THERE WAS
NOT
FRAUD.%- YOU
KNOW,
MAYBE AN
INDIVIDUAL,
%- YOU
KNOW,
ACTOR
HERE
OR
THERE,
%- BUT
NO
WIDESPREAD
FRAUD
THAT %- WOULD CHANGE THE
OUTCOME
OF
THIS
%- ELECTION.%-AND WE
HAVE TO
BE
ABSOLUTELY
%- CLEAR
ABOUT
THAT.
%- I DO
THINK
THAT
SOME
PEOPLE,
YOU
%- KNOW,
WHEN THEY
LOOK
AT
THIS, %- THEY
SHOULD LOOK
AT IT
IN A
VERY
%- PERSONAL
LEVEL.
%- SO, AS
YOU
KNOW,
WE WERE
HAVING
%- CALLS,
YOU
KNOW, MAYBE
OUR
OWN
%- HOME
STATE U.S.
SENATOR
%- OBJECTING TO
THE
RESULTS
IN
OUR
%- OWN
STATE,
THINK
ABOUT NOT
THE
%- VOTES OF OTHER
PEOPLE
WHO
MAY %- HAVE
VOTED
DIFFERENTLY, BUT
%- WHETHER YOUR
OWN
VOTE
WOULD
HAVE%- BEEN
DISENFRANCHISED.
%- IT'S
A VERY
PERSONAL
ISSUE,
IF
%- WE ARE
SAYING
THAT
YOU
KNOW,
%- THE,
FOR
INSTANCE,
THE
ABSENTEE
%- BALLOT
THAT
YOU COULD
ARRIVE AT
%- YOUR
POLLING
PLACE
BEFORE %- ELECTION DAY AND
CAST
YOUR
%- ABSENTEE
BALLOT,
HOW
I
VOTED.
%- THAT
WOULD HAVE BEEN
%- DISENFRANCHISED
UNDER
SOME OF %- THE LAWSUITS
PURSUED
HERE.%- SO
ALL
OF
US
WHEN
WE
CONSIDER %- WHAT THE
POLITICAL
LEADERS ARE
%- SAYING
AND THE
TRUTHFULNESS
OF
%- IT,
THINK
ABOUT
OUR OWN
VOTE
AND
%- THE POWER
OF
OUR
OWN
VOTE.
%- THAT
IS
THE
MOST
IMPORTANT WAY
%- IN WHICH
WE ARE ALL
EQUAL
IN
%- THIS
COUNTRY,
DON'T ALL
HAVE
THE
%- SAME
AMOUNT OF
MONEY TO
THROW
AT
%- A
POLITICAL
CAMPAIGN, WE
DON'T
%- ALL HAVE THE
SAME
VOICE,
THE
%- SAME
SOCIAL MEDIA
FOLLOWING, BUT
%- WE
ALL
HAVE
THE SAME
VOTE.
%- AND SO ANY
TIME ANYBODY WANTS
TO
%- TAKE THAT VOTE
AWAY
FROM
YOU,
%- WHETHER
YOU ARE ON
THE
LEFT OR
%- THE
RIGHT,
YOU
SHOULD
BECOME
%- IMMEDIATELY
SUSPICIOUS AND YOU
%- SHOULD LOOK VERY
SKEPTICAL
AT
%- WHAT
IS BEING SAID, ANY ATTEMPT
%- TO
DISENFRANCHISE
YOU
IS
A
%- THREAT TO GOVERNMENT OF
AND
BY
%- THE
PEOPLE.
%- IN
THIS CASE
IT
HAPPENED TO BE
%- COMING FROM REPUBLICAN
SENATORS,%- WHAT HAPPENS IF
IT
COMES
FROM
%- THE LEFT
IN
THE
NEXT
%- PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION.
%- THINK
ABOUT, YOU
KNOW,
YOUR
OWN
%- VOTE
AND
HOW
HARD
IT
SHOULD BE
%- TO
STRIP THAT
FROM
YOU.
%- >>
WHAT
ARE YOU
LOOKING
FOR
IN
%- TODAY'S
PROCEEDINGS
IN
CONGRESS %- AND
THE HOUSE
AND
ADDITIONALLY, %- WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT
IN
THE
%- COMING DAYS
AND
POTENTIALLY
%- WEEKS,
YOU
KNOW.
%- WISCONSIN IS
NOT
IMMUNE
FROM
%- HATE
GROUPS,
WE HAVE
SEEN THE
%- PROUD BOYS
LOCALLY,
WE HAVE
SEEN
%- HOME
GROWN
MILITIA
GROUPS,
YOU
%- KNOW,
WHAT SHOULD
WE
BE
FOCUSSED
%- ON?
%- >>
I THINK
WHAT
ALL
OF
US SHOULD%- BE
FOCUSSED
ON
IS
VERIFIED
%- INFORMATION
COMING FROM
%- REPUTABLE
OUTLETS.
%- I THINK
IF
YOU
HAVE
BEEN
DOWN
%- THE
RABBIT
HOLE
OF
FOURCHAN AND
%- REDIT, GET
OFF.
%- GO
TO
MORE
VALID NEWS
SOURCES IN
%- THE
COMING
DAYS.
%- TRY TO
BALANCE
YOUR
INFORMATION
%- DIET
IN THE
SAME WAY WE ARE ALL
%- SUPPOSED TO
BALANCE
OUR
FOOD
%- DIET.%-YOU
KNOW, I
DO
NOT
LOVE
GREEN
%- LEAFY
VEGETABLES
AND I DON'T
%- WANT
TO MAKE
NEWS
MEDIA
SEEM
%- LIKE
GREEN
LEAFY
VEGETABLES BUT
%- WE
CAN'T
SURVIVE IF
WE HAVE THIS%- LIKE TOXIC
SLUDGE
FEEDING
OUR
%- MINDS.
%- IN
THE
SAME WAY WE CAN'T
SURVIVE
%- IF
WE HAVE
TOXIC
SLUDGE
FEEDING
%- OUR
BODIES.
%- I THINK
--
I
DO
THINK
IT IS
TIME
%- FOR
A
SENSE
OF
CALM
AND
%- PREPAREDNESS SO
NOT
FEELING
%- ANXIETY
ABOUT
WHAT'S
COMING
BUT %- CALLING
ON
OUR
LEADERS
TO
ENSURE
%- THAT WE ARE
READY.
%- YOU
KNOW,
YES,
IT WAS
A
%- JAW-DROPPING MOMENT TO SEE
OUR
%- STATE
CAPITOL BEING BOARDED UP %- IN ADVANCE
OF
POTENTIAL
VIOLENCE
%- THIS
WEEKEND BUT
THAT
IS
THE
%- RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO.
%- LOOKING AT
IT,
IT
SADDENED ME
%- BUT I'M
GLAD
IT'S
HAPPENING.%- SO
WE
ALL
SHOULD HAVE THAT
SENSE
%- OF
PREPAREDNESS, AND THEN
WHAT
%- CAN
WE
EACH
DO
INDIVIDUALLY
TO
%- RETURN TO A
SENSE
OF
DECENCY,
A
%- SENSE OF
RESPECTING
EACH
OTHER
%- AS EQUAL
WITHIN
THIS
DEMOCRACY,
%- REGARDLESS
OF
OUR
DIFFERENT
%- VIEWS
ON
POLITICAL
ISSUES, WHAT
%- CAN
WE
DO
TO
FIND
THAT SENSE
OF
%- WORKING TOGETHER.
%- AND IT'S FAIRLY
EASY
TO
DO.
%- YOU
KNOW,
A
LOT
OF
US
HAVE
%- POLITICAL
DIVISIONS IN
OUR
OWN
%- FAMILIES AND WE
STILL
LOVE
THE
%- PEOPLE WE ARE
DIVIDED
FROM.
%- WE
COME AT THAT
WITH
PEOPLE
THAT
%- WE DON'T
KNOW
SO
WELL
AND
STILL
%- COME
FROM
A
PLACE OF
RESPECT
AND
%- UNDERSTANDING.%-BECAUSE IF
WE
CAN'T DO
THAT, %- THEN
WE
OUGHT NOT
HAVE
THE
POWER
%- WE HAVE
IN
THIS
DEMOCRACY, IF
WE%- CANNOT
BE
RESPONSIBLE
CITIZENS
%- CONSUMING INFORMATION
THAT
%- ACTUALLY TRIES
TO
INFORM
US,
%- THEN SHOULD WE HAVE
THAT
VOTE?
%- COULD
WE,
YOU
KNOW,
CAN
WE
BE
IN
%- CHARGE OF
OURSELVES
IF
WE ARE
%- NOT HAVING A
BALANCED
%- INFORMATION
DIET, A
SENSE
OF
%- DECENCY AND
RESPECT.
%- I DON'T
KNOW.
%- >> ALL
RIGHT.
%- KATY
CULVER
OF THE
CENTER OF
%- JOURNALISM
ETHICS, THANK YOU
%- VERY MUCH FOR
JOINING
US.
%- >>
THANK YOU
SO
MUCH FOR
HAVING
%- ME.
%- IT WAS
REALLY
GOOD
CONVERSATION %- AND A
VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TIME %- FOR ALL OF US.
%- >>
FOR
MORE
FROM
HERE
AND
NOW %- AND PBS
WISCONSIN,
VISIT
%- PBSWISCONSIN.ORG,
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